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    Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 4:44pm
I goes like this...

Downwind, get hit by a gust, capsize...

Is it better to avoid being dead downwind and keep some lateral pressure on the boat. Maybe taking the run as two broad reaches and time a mid run gybe when condition suit? 

Is it important to keep my weight aft so the flat bit of the hull is more in contact with the water and hopefully more stable? I sail a Europe.

Or maybe (probably) I'm just a bit rubbish! Big smile
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Are you falling in to windward? Probably not enough kicker so the leach flicks open. David Greening ( Solo expert) advised me to mark the kicker so you can replicate a good leach stable setting.
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Interesting, reducing the kicker adds twist and (apparently) de-powers the sail. So this is where I have been going, However it does seem to lead to a loss of control and some increase in instability.
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I also have a mark on my board so that I can set it with perhaps the same depth as the rudder to give a bit of stability in exciting stuff.

Another crumb from the Greening table!
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I was shot down in flames on FB for suggesting that sheeting out upwind (when the leech tension is controlled by the mainsheet not the kicker) in a Europe* to allow more twist and spill wind from the top of the sail as I do in the Spice and Blaze. The argument was that the mast straightened and powered up the sail. 


But, whatever the boat, if you are overpowered down wind then sailing the angles is safer (though the gybe may be somewhat scary). 


* I sailed an OK in my youth so am still very interested in the latest developements/techniques of that type of unstayed rig.


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Originally posted by epicfail

I goes like this...

Downwind, get hit by a gust, capsize...

Is it better to avoid being dead downwind and keep some lateral pressure on the boat. Maybe taking the run as two broad reaches and time a mid run gybe when condition suit? 

Is it important to keep my weight aft so the flat bit of the hull is more in contact with the water and hopefully more stable? I sail a Europe.

Or maybe (probably) I'm just a bit rubbish! Big smile

I would look at the Boat Whisper DVDís, Steve Cockerill has done some videos to dinghy show.



I wonít paraphrase what he says as that would be pointless but he is against the tight kicker safe old school method 

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In a Europe, easing the kicker and sailing by the Lee is by far the most stable way to get downwind.

It might feel a bit sketchy getting to 'by the Lee' but after a couple of goes you'll know what to expect and find it much more comfortable.

If you have any Europe technique questions, go on the UK Europe Facebook group and you'll get lots of help.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


I was shot down in flames on FB for suggesting that sheeting out upwind†(when the leech tension is controlled by the mainsheet not the kicker) in a Europe* to allow more twist and spill wind from the top of the sail as I do in the Spice and Blaze. The argument was that the mast straightened and powered up the sail.†
But, whatever the boat, if you are overpowered down wind then sailing the angles is safer (though the gybe may be somewhat scary).†
* I sailed an OK in my youth so am still very interested in the latest developements/techniques of that type of unstayed rig.



You weren't shot down in flames. People just pointed out the correct technique, in a perfectly friendly way.
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Can you let the boom go forward ?
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I was told that if breezy best to limit boom to about 80į and ease the kicker if you want the sail to go further forward than that.
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