J24 (Sail No. 4239) Dartmouth |
29er GBR 074 Tynemouth |
Laurent Giles 'Jolly Boat' Exeter |
List classes of boat for sale |
Under 18's declarations for Club racing |
Post Reply | Page <1 6789> |
Author | ||
marwen
Newbie Joined: 03 Jun 20 Location: Canda Online Status: Offline Posts: 27 |
Post Options
Quote Reply
Topic: Under 18's declarations for Club racing Posted: 09 Jun 20 at 2:44am |
|
You're Right, Agree to you
|
||
ClubRacer
Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 20 at 8:12pm | |
Most people on this forum probably know their limits and can make their own descisions and don't fall into this category. Unfortunatly a lot of people at our club have no idea of what their limit is. I've never witnessed an OOD saying "you cant sail" but I've seen plenty of more experienced people talking them out of it. In my opinion it can't hurt to give the OOD the ability to stop people from going out, specially when it could cause more issues and danger to those who then have to rescue them if something went wrong. Obviously if power abuse becomes a thing you just review it
|
||
piglet
Really should get out more Joined: 04 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 20 at 8:58pm | |
But what if the OOD doesn't stop someone who in retrospect wasn't up to it, and the worst happens?
Is the OOD then at fault for not stopping this person(s) sailing? |
||
Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 20 at 9:52pm | |
What if the OOD has no idea of either the ability of the person or the danger of the conditions? You can't have a situation where one week decisions are made for a sailor and the next they aren't or where a decision is simply wrong.
|
||
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
|
||
423zero
Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3406 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 20 at 10:13pm | |
OOD, could say to someone, 'in my opinion the conditions are to severe for you, however if you insist on sailing, you must sign to say you have been cautioned'. Obviously this will only work with club sailors who you know, wouldn't work with strangers, at a club strangers would be new members or competitors in a open etc.
|
||
Robert
|
||
Brass
Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1146 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 20 at 11:26pm | |
So you want to interfere with a person's freedom to go sailing, then further annoy them by asking them to sign a piece of paper?
|
||
chrisarnell1
Groupie Joined: 06 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 89 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 7:48am | |
It's been a while since I started this post so a quick update on our situation. The Club's proposal to allow Race Officers to exercise their own judgement on allowing under-14's to race by telling them they couldn't take part was dropped. It remains the decision of participants to decide whether or not to race. In my view this is a victory for common sense. The R.O has plenty of options available to manage the risks to competitors without having to take responsibility for sailors' decisions which potentially makes the club liable for anything that happens. Our entry form is very clunky and must be completed before you're allowed to race. I'm not sure what purpose it serves (the signing on sheets used to contain the customary wording and by signing on you were deemed to have accepted all the conditions and risks). I guess it's something that Clubs have been advised to do nowadays. The good news, from my perspective, is that the most bizarre elements of what the Club was proposing last year have now been dropped. When we go back to racing is anyone's guess, but that's another story!
Edited by chrisarnell1 - 12 Jun 20 at 7:49am |
||
RS300 393
OK GBR 21 |
||
Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 7:56am | |
One positive of self distancing and not passing pens and paper around might be that entry forms become a thing of the past!
Glad it all worked out sensibly in the end. |
||
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
|
||
Brass
Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1146 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 8:21am | |
I would suggest:
There's a good chance that one of these days some ambulance chasing lawyer will accuse a club of failing to prevent someone going sailing, and rule 4 is provided as a defence against that, bearing in mind the qualifications about young sailors discussed upthread. I'm not aware that this has ever happened, I can only reiterate: do your risk assessment as recommended by the RYA and act accordingly. Edited by Brass - 12 Jun 20 at 11:07pm |
||
chrisarnell1
Groupie Joined: 06 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 89 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 20 at 8:32am | |
One thing that gets on my nerves is the constant justification of more regulation and paperwork on the basis that "we live in an increasingly litigious world". There is precious little evidence to support this - sailing clubs are very rarely cited as examples (I can't think of any). The biggest risk is probably someone being injured owing to negligence. Disclaimers aren't really there to keep you safe. Risk assessments, operating procedures, equipment and training keep people safe. Your online entry form that requires 9 initials and a signature (I counted) is really just the Club's attempt to avoid claims of negligence. Friday morning rant over :)
|
||
RS300 393
OK GBR 21 |
||
Post Reply | Page <1 6789> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |