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Up to 11 junior, 12 to 16 youth, I believe ?
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A junior is a Junior Member or anyone under, I don't know... 16 probably.

Why? Because they are children. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but as a statement of fact. I know there are wise, mature, sensible children but as a cohort their decision making skills are immature. The law recognises this in many ways, and indeed parents are legally responsible for their children in many ways. To leave a child for many hours without adult supervision or care is irresponsible.
They are also prone to peer pressure, they may have a fearlessness that belies their ability, they often need adult help with rigging/launch/recovery/packing away (abuse your own boat by all means but please take care of the club Topper you are using for free) and if they become injured it would clearly be beneficial to have a parent to hand. And because the sailing club is not a crèche.

Having a parent on site will mitigate the risk of inappropriate adult behaviour towards the child, will provide parental control, parental advice, a helping pair of hands and may encourage them to go sailing themselves.

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A2Z has it spot on as far as I'm concerned. The responsible adult on site isn't there to decide that the wind has picked up too much a mile out to sea, but to be there to ensure poor decisions aren't made by the child ashore, that if they are off playing an eye is kept to ensure they don't fall in unnoticed. All the things an adult ought to be doing for their kids. This doesn't mean the child can't go off and play with their mates, on or off the water, it simply sets boundaries and a safety net and ensures the poor hard pressed duty team aren't having to act as child minders too.
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A couple of pages ago there was a point made that the experience of the rescue crews may not be adequate for rough conditions.

As far as I know, while there is an obligation for sailing instructors to have a power boat certificate, there is no obligation for rescue boat crews to know how to sail.

I think that this would make a big difference.
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Need to strike a balance between Snowflakeism and the good old days boys, these would bring back pea shooters and spud guns
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Originally posted by A2Z

A junior is a Junior Member or anyone under, I don't know... 16 probably.

Why? Because they are children. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but as a statement of fact. I know there are wise, mature, sensible children but as a cohort their decision making skills are immature. The law recognises this in many ways, and indeed parents are legally responsible for their children in many ways. To leave a child for many hours without adult supervision or care is irresponsible.
They are also prone to peer pressure, they may have a fearlessness that belies their ability, they often need adult help with rigging/launch/recovery/packing away (abuse your own boat by all means but please take care of the club Topper you are using for free) and if they become injured it would clearly be beneficial to have a parent to hand. And because the sailing club is not a crèche.

Having a parent on site will mitigate the risk of inappropriate adult behaviour towards the child, will provide parental control, parental advice, a helping pair of hands and may encourage them to go sailing themselves.



I’m sure the irony isn’t lost on you that you want a parent to be there for them to sail....but none of that applies while sailing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 20 at 9:57pm
I think it's that there are 2 things being discussed here. Land based adult supervision and water based being treated as an equal to all the other sailors where age is concerned, when ability is all that matters.
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Ah, okay.  They are separate things, shouldn’t be conflated.
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Seems strange to me that there isn't a person who can say NO.
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