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Topic: Under 18's declarations for Club racing Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 9:07am |
Not a great supporter of the Three Beers Race then, 423Zero? Down a pint, run to the shore, Le Mans start, round a buoy, land, run up the shore, down a pint, repeat x3...
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 9:27am |
At Hunts we insist that any junior member (i.e. under 18) either has a parent on site or an adult nominated to be in loco-parentis.
Another thing to bear in mind is the age of legal responsibility. This is commonly seen as around 13/14 but there is no hard and fast rule and can be younger or older depending on the individual involved (this is why we insist on a parent or nominated adult to be responsbile). It used to be known a Gillick Competent (for those who remember the Victoria Gillick case). As for safety cover we have it in the club rules that if the safety boat orders you off the water or orders you to board and abandon your boat then you do so or there are sanctions the club can take.
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Paul
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andymck
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 10:25am |
We have the safety cover rule. If too severe wind conditions, racing is abandoned not individuals.
The safety cover rule has been a contention. We have had a junior, who was out training in high winds, who had not capsized and was clearly coping sent in. The rescue coxswain did not know the sailor involved and was applying an age assumption. We just put a “coach” boat on the water to get round the issue. Our youths and juniors are often seen heading out to train when the more experienced sailors are heading to the bar. They all also know that if capsized and struggling they may be taken off the water. Andy |
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Noah
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 11:25am |
The answer to "DID YOU KNOW SAILOR LACKED SUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE" is "I'm not qualified or competent to judge who is or is not sufficiently experienced".
What do you do if an individual insists they are going afloat when you are trying to prevent them from doing so? Use physical restraint? That would be assault. Advice is one thing "I wouldn't sail in this, Fred. Don't you think it's a bit fierce today?" Instruction / compulsion is quite another.
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Noah
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 11:27am |
At a previous club there emerged a tendency for parents to drop their kids off in the morning and disappear for the day. Result - uncontrolled kids grouping themselves into one or more factions and running amok. So the club started to enforce its rule that said the parent or guardian was responsible and must remain on site.
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Nick
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 11:46am |
Noah, you are prepared to lie under oath ?
No one mentioned how you enforce sanction, that would be up to club committee if someone sailed after being told not to, I would be confident committee would stand by OOD. |
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Noah
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 12:26pm |
Absolutely not, but what qualifications do you have that make you competent to judge - on sight - someone's ability to cope with conditions - which may change from minute to minute anyway? Quite apart from that, the answer I suggested cannot be construed as a lie. It is a statement of the lack of qualifications to be able to judge. Experience is one thing. Qualification something else entirely. I'm unfit, overweight and over 60. My abilities are declining, largely because I don't sail enough. I would be very upset if someone, known to me or not, tried to decide for me whether I could sail or not. I am very tired of the constant trend towards the attempt to de-risk everything we do. Life is not risk-free and no-one gets out alive. I would rather take the risk of being hurt occasionally than sit on the sofa and watch.
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Gordon 1430
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 1:04pm |
Luckily we don't have any control over who goes sailing or when its a public slipway. I wouldn't want as a race officer to make that call, I have gone and spoken to people suggesting its possibly not sensible but would not stop someone, the exception might be if they were very young and no parent was around to take a sensible choice. We also have another slip way 50 yards away again public and sometimes used by visitors to the area who seem to have purchased boats on the internet (old fireballs and Ents seem to be favourite) and take the family out with no idea what its like or going to get like. Luckily in some cases the launching into Solent chop sorts out a few. Fisherman also use that slip and I have spoken to them when on Rib duty 4 blokes, very little freeboard and no life jackets etc. |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 1:28pm |
This was one of the reasons we bought the rule in.
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Paul
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 20 at 9:12pm |
Wow, I've come into this thread late, and I'm quite surprised at what I'm reading.
I generally find that clubs are desperate to get juniors out racing. To have an OOD who can arbitrarily tell people they aren't allowed out because they are young, especially when the young sailor may well have a better understanding of their boat and their skill level than the OOD, is extraordinary. Advice is another matter, but only if the adviser is experienced enough for that advice to have any worth at all. If using the "ban the young" approach, don't be surprised if you start losing family memberships. |
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