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Brass
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Topic: Simple Rule Question Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 10:23am |
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Here's the search for 'anticipate' on the Cases and Appeals Relevant Cases are
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 10:46am | |
Seems to me that anticipate is used to mean "act" in those cases, rather than "be aware". I can see why you were cautious about its use in the previous situation. I'm sure as hell going to "be aware" that a RoW boat might do, or not do something, even if I don't have to "act" on it till they do.
But maybe, as JimC might say, I'm mixing tactics (and self preservation) with rules, which causes distress and confusion. I might be paraphrasing, here! |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 11:00am | |
I can't find where to put this, it is feedback on a forum issue, that of quotes not staying in the text area and straying across the adverts on the right makeing them unreadable. It does it on two different browsers so It's not a Safari issue?
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 11:04am | |
> I'm mixing tactics (and self preservation) with rules,
You are I think. To require anticipation in the rules would make for a horrible soggy mess, because suddenly rule observation would depend on second guessing what other people are thinking. I think the current rules situation that one is only expected to act on what actually happens is 100% correct. Consider RRS 15 and Sams's example. With RRS 15 and no anticipation required then leeward may not tack if in doing so, as per example, she makes it impossible for boats down the line to keep clear of each other. If a requirement that boats down the line were expected to anticipate that leeward will want to tack onto starboard were added to the rule, then the whole thing would get extremely messy "I can see a header ahead of of leeward: he's going to tack on it so I want water to tack now so I can keep clear if he tacks in my water". Its a minefield, to say the least! |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 4:08pm | |
Thanks for warning us. I believe I have fixed the issue now. Hopefully things stay readable... |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 5:07pm | |
If the ROW boats don’t anticipate I can assure you that there will be an almighty pile up!
This is why I asked the question as to whether a loud hail from L should initiate W to tack, or whether W can wait for M to hail. The wording of the rule refers to “hailed boat” in the singular, if it was intended for the hail to get all of the boats that were pinning him to tack, then it would say “hailed boats” ... in fact 20.3 clearly makes the case that there can be a sequence of hails. I accept that Case 113 sets out to clarify this situation, however imo it is applying common sense rather than applying the rule as it is written. The biggest assumption is in trusting that everyone is aware of and working to the same set of rules.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 20 at 3:13am | |
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