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Sam.Spoons
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Topic: Simple Rule Question Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 11:37am |
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In my case it would definitely have been a good move to have not got into the situation in the first place.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 1:39pm | |
Not to mention a clear breach of 20.2d. The hailing boat is required to tack as soon as possible after the hailed boat responds. |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 6:59pm | |
Indeed. This goes into the pantheon of serial misdemeanours, including the hail “tacking” before a sailor tacks onto starboard, as though this gives them the right to tack into you, more recently morphed into a hail of “starboard” in anticipation of tacking onto starboard
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 7:29pm | |
Wouldn't racing without hailing ( shouting!) be a lovely thing?
Ok 25% is required to inform and wake up the helm who hasnt seen you. But losing the other 75% would be great |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 8:01pm | |
Depends who you are racing against. In some cases, the shouty bits with people you've raced against and shared beers with for years can be a lot of fun.
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ColPrice2002
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 10:22pm | |
In the L, M, W situation, if L hails Water or Room is he calling just M or both M and W? Or does he have to wait for M to call W?
Our start line has a beach at the favoured end and if beating against a flood tide thirty boats will be heading into the beach on starboard ... given that we know that L is going to call, as soon as W hears the call he is likely to shout “water called” and push his helm down ... is the suggestion that he does not need to react until M calls?" W shouldn't put the tiller down until his hail has had a response... If there are 30 boats close hauled on starboard, then the hail should be passed form leeward to windward all along the fleet... Original L needs to hail Loudly and in good time! Colim |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 11:00pm | |
Being involved in an incident is rarely fast so choosing how late to push it is a tactical decision.
Case 113 :- http://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/cases/1088?page=12 says that W is required to tack on hearing L's hail "W is a "hailed boat" in the context of rule Rule: 20.2" data-url="/rules/678?xformat=fleet" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(51, 122, 183); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">20.2 and she shall respond accordingly.". There is no suggestion I can find in the rules or case study that she has to anticipate L's hail.
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Brass
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 12:10am | |
I'm not that thrilled with the use of 'anticipate' here. In English, 'anticipate' is usually taken to mean that you actually take some action before the anticipated event. In this context, I think it must be construed as no more than to 'be alert', 'listen', or 'be prepared'. I think it means that W can't say "I was taken by surprise by the hail and that delayed my response".
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 20 at 9:46am | |
Anticipation is waiting with baited breath, as it were. Certainly if in a line of boats heading off a start line towards a shore I'll be anticipating a hail. But in reality, shouldn't we be anticipating stuff in sailing generally? OK, we can't be in a heightened state of awareness for every crash tack, but surely the rules aren't assuming total obliviousness?
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