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Being involved in an incident is rarely fast so choosing how late to push it is a tactical decision.

Case 113 :-  http://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/cases/1088?page=12 says that W is required to tack on hearing L's hail "W is a "hailed boat" in the context of rule 20.2 and she shall respond accordingly.". There is no suggestion I can find in the rules or case study that she has to anticipate L's hail. 
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In the L, M, W situation, if L hails Water or Room is he calling just M or both M and W?  Or does he have to wait for M to call W?

Our start line has a beach at the favoured end and if beating against a flood tide thirty boats will be heading into the beach on starboard ... given that we know that L is going to call, as soon as W hears the call he is likely to shout “water called” and push his helm down ... is the suggestion that he does not need to react until M calls?"
W shouldn't put the tiller down until his hail has had a response...
If there are 30 boats close hauled on starboard, then the hail should be passed form leeward to windward all along the fleet...
Original L needs to hail Loudly and in good time!
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Depends who you are racing against. In some cases, the shouty bits with people you've raced against and shared beers with for years can be a lot of fun.
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Wouldn't racing without hailing ( shouting!) be a lovely thing?

Ok 25% is required to inform and wake up the helm who hasnt seen you.

But losing the other 75% would be great
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by davidyacht

...I should add that L will typically carry on for a few boatlengths on starboard to secure an advantage ... but that is another story

Not to mention a clear breach of 20.2d. The hailing boat is required to tack as soon as possible after the hailed boat responds.

Indeed.

This goes into the pantheon of serial misdemeanours, including the hail “tacking” before a sailor tacks onto starboard, as though this gives them the right to tack into you, more recently morphed into a hail of “starboard” in anticipation of tacking onto starboard
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Originally posted by davidyacht

...I should add that L will typically carry on for a few boatlengths on starboard to secure an advantage ... but that is another story

Not to mention a clear breach of 20.2d. The hailing boat is required to tack as soon as possible after the hailed boat responds.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 11:37am
No jib cleats on Lasers  Wink

In my case it would definitely have been a good move to have not got into the situation in the first place.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 11:23am
Thanks Brass ... I think that we have two or three different “water” situations running on this thread, but the discussion is interesting all the same.

The snap of a jib cleat tends to be a preface to the hail.

The reality is that collisions in this type of situation tend to be messy and time consuming to disentangle so tactically best avoided ... best to err on the side of caution.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 11:09am
I'm not sure where the inconsistencies in my description lie, can't be bothered rereading all my posts just now so apologies if that's the case.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 20 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Rupert

Case 113, clear, concise and to the point. For once, I'm not left with a headache!

but a completely different situation.
SS's description of his incident is not even self-consistent, so it's no surprise that each of us is interpreting it differently.
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