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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:12pm
Forget coaching, most club dinghy racers don't even practice!

Launch just in time for the 5 minute fun, finish the race and come straight in for a pint.
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Lol but so true for most of us  Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:38pm
Exactly my point and who's to say that's a bad thing.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Moo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by GarethT

Forget coaching, most club dinghy racers don't even practice!

Launch just in time for the 5 minute fun, finish the race and come straight in for a pint.


Oi! I resemble that remark
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Originally posted by Do Different

I cannot see anything especially difficult about organising dinghy coaching. It all comes down to demand, if the demand was there it would happen no question.

Riders regularly trail horses to visit coaches at all levels from local instructors, through national competitors and even up to international level. Also many golfers sign up to regular coaching at no small cost.

It would take very little for groups to travel to the home club of a "celeb" competitor or arrange for their own club RIB to be available to carry a coach.

The fact the people are finding it difficult to get private adult coaching simply shows that the majority are not interested. 

Either that, or those that might be offering the service are either very busy or really not very good at marketing?

Back about 15 years ago, a local class hired Jim Saltonstall to give his opinions for an evening.
Things can be made to happen.

I know what you mean, it's hard enough to drum up 20 people to pay 3 each to make a 'rules and tactics' presentation happen, with free bar snacks and a top level presenter.

One problem might be that dinghy sailors are reluctant to take advice from 'second rate' performers?
If you're not God, Howie Hamlin, Nick Craig, Paul Elvstrom, Lawrie Smith or similar, do we actually want to listen to someone who gets beaten?

It's a rare combination in sailng to be competent at a very high level, good at communication/teaching and skint enough to want to coach people for a pittance.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 8:55am
Most tennis coaches aren't Roger Federer, or football coaches Maradona. I think people understand that at club level you get club coaches.

But, as someone pointed out earlier, if we don't even practice solo or in pairs or in groups, what chances for someone being hired to run something and people showing up?

My most successful coaching sessions are for Sailability members and volunteers for an hour at the end of our Wednesday sessions, sailing Hansa 303s. But then I have a captive audience.

The difference has been noted both at Hansa events and at Laser club racing at a different club. Coaching, even by someone who has no gold medals, can work...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 9:56am
I wouldn't like to comment on the expectations or dedication of others.

Just to speak from my own experience in an earlier life.

In my teens and twenties I used to compete myself and school young horses. The biggest thing is that you cannot see yourself, that is to say an observer is pretty much essential when training at whatever level or discipline you are engaged in on the day. I've spent endless sessions with a mate at home being watched and continually corrected on position and timing.

I've been slightly surprised getting into sailing more than twenty years ago that people were not interested in going out in pairs to watch each other. Not hiking out as far as you think, trapezing as low or keeping the boat as flat. 

Just a thought.

edit. 10.05. reread and sounds a bit virtuous, didn't mean to be, I'm no purist. 


Edited by Do Different - 16 Nov 19 at 10:07am
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NicolaJayne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 9:57am
Originally posted by Ian99

There's also a very big practical difference between getting a tennis coach for a few hours to getting someone to do something similar for sailing.
The tennis or golf coach will come to wherever you play and stand there watching you, and giving advice. At the most they may bring a camera and a racquet or clubs with them.
A coach who came to a sailing club for individual coaching on all but the smallest of ponds won't be able to coach from standing on the side of the lake. This means they have to bring a boat with them to coach from. RIBs and the petrol and maintenance needed for them are very expensive.


I wonder what the   current  price , even with fleet discounts  of the contemporary  version  of  'Swedish Hearse + flagship/ RIB ' that Messers Saltonstall et al  had in the mid 90s ... 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NicolaJayne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Rupert

Most tennis coaches aren't Roger Federer, or football coaches Maradona. I think people understand that at club level you get club coaches.

But, as someone pointed out earlier, if we don't even practice solo or in pairs or in groups, what chances for someone being hired to run something and people showing up?

My most successful coaching sessions are for Sailability members and volunteers for an hour at the end of our Wednesday sessions, sailing Hansa 303s. But then I have a captive audience.

The difference has been noted both at Hansa events and at Laser club racing at a different club. Coaching, even by someone who has no gold medals, can work...


Indeed and there  is enough of a pool out there of people  who do have 'lesser'  but still isgnificant achievements who can coach effectively. 

but   with the absence of  the squad system in the past  and the current antipathy  displayed towards it  here  it's perhaps surprising ...   

taking an example from Dance , there are a lot of teachers who were 'vocationally' trained  (and got the exact same  training and education as the Darcey Bussells, Wayne Sleep or Carlos Acostas of this world )  but  either they realised their talent  was going to  run at  corps/ coryphee / junior soloist levle or they  struggled to cope with company life - so  they  settle down for a more stable life  teaching and coaching,  and maybe doing the odd bit of jobbing work ... 

Equally  there are  practitioners who have performed at the highest level  who enjoy teaching class for randon recreational dancers , because  of the different pressure  recreational dancers put on themselves vs  other pros....  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 10:35am
Maybe as a group sailors are not so bothered about achieving really good style / technique / performance as some other sports / activities because sailing can give very rewarding feedback without being anything close to the perfect sailor. Phew, too long a sentence.
I have asked the question before, is sailing really a sport or more like a pleasant pastime? Obviously there is no definitive answer to this. Different strokes for different folks.
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