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GarethT
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Topic: Race training Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:12pm |
Forget coaching, most club dinghy racers don't even practice!
Launch just in time for the 5 minute fun, finish the race and come straight in for a pint. |
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zeon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:31pm |
Lol but so true for most of us
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:38pm |
Exactly my point and who's to say that's a bad thing.
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The Moo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 8:50pm |
Oi! I resemble that remark |
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eric_c
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 19 at 9:13pm |
Either that, or those that might be offering the service are either very busy or really not very good at marketing? Back about 15 years ago, a local class hired Jim Saltonstall to give his opinions for an evening. Things can be made to happen. I know what you mean, it's hard enough to drum up 20 people to pay £3 each to make a 'rules and tactics' presentation happen, with free bar snacks and a top level presenter. One problem might be that dinghy sailors are reluctant to take advice from 'second rate' performers? If you're not God, Howie Hamlin, Nick Craig, Paul Elvstrom, Lawrie Smith or similar, do we actually want to listen to someone who gets beaten? It's a rare combination in sailng to be competent at a very high level, good at communication/teaching and skint enough to want to coach people for a pittance.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 8:55am |
Most tennis coaches aren't Roger Federer, or football coaches Maradona. I think people understand that at club level you get club coaches.
But, as someone pointed out earlier, if we don't even practice solo or in pairs or in groups, what chances for someone being hired to run something and people showing up? My most successful coaching sessions are for Sailability members and volunteers for an hour at the end of our Wednesday sessions, sailing Hansa 303s. But then I have a captive audience. The difference has been noted both at Hansa events and at Laser club racing at a different club. Coaching, even by someone who has no gold medals, can work... |
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 9:56am |
I wouldn't like to comment on the expectations or dedication of others.
Just to speak from my own experience in an earlier life. In my teens and twenties I used to compete myself and school young horses. The biggest thing is that you cannot see yourself, that is to say an observer is pretty much essential when training at whatever level or discipline you are engaged in on the day. I've spent endless sessions with a mate at home being watched and continually corrected on position and timing. I've been slightly surprised getting into sailing more than twenty years ago that people were not interested in going out in pairs to watch each other. Not hiking out as far as you think, trapezing as low or keeping the boat as flat. Just a thought. edit. 10.05. reread and sounds a bit virtuous, didn't mean to be, I'm no purist.
Edited by Do Different - 16 Nov 19 at 10:07am |
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NicolaJayne
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 9:57am |
I wonder what the current price , even with fleet discounts of the contemporary version of 'Swedish Hearse + flagship/ RIB ' that Messers Saltonstall et al had in the mid 90s ... |
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NicolaJayne
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 10:05am |
Indeed and there is enough of a pool out there of people who do have 'lesser' but still isgnificant achievements who can coach effectively. but with the absence of the squad system in the past and the current antipathy displayed towards it here it's perhaps surprising ... taking an example from Dance , there are a lot of teachers who were 'vocationally' trained (and got the exact same training and education as the Darcey Bussells, Wayne Sleep or Carlos Acostas of this world ) but either they realised their talent was going to run at corps/ coryphee / junior soloist levle or they struggled to cope with company life - so they settle down for a more stable life teaching and coaching, and maybe doing the odd bit of jobbing work ... Equally there are practitioners who have performed at the highest level who enjoy teaching class for randon recreational dancers , because of the different pressure recreational dancers put on themselves vs other pros.... |
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 19 at 10:35am |
Maybe as a group sailors are not so bothered about achieving really good style / technique / performance as some other sports / activities because sailing can give very rewarding feedback without being anything close to the perfect sailor. Phew, too long a sentence.
I have asked the question before, is sailing really a sport or more like a pleasant pastime? Obviously there is no definitive answer to this. Different strokes for different folks.
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