Arresting the Decline and Fall of our Sport.

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons Yup, and that's true of nearly everything in our H&S/litigation obsessed society.

Originally posted by zeon Originally posted by Sam.Spoons Yup, and that's true of nearly everything in our H&S/litigation obsessed society. This is just silly tosh . At my club nobody now has up to date rya accreditation for training. Does this stop us organising training for new members , NO IT DOESNT. Perhaps if people stopped blaming H&S  and the RYA in the online world and did things in the real world our sport would be a better and more welcoming place .

Edited by Sam.Spoons - 10 Nov 19 at 11:39pm

Dear dear, you must sail at some miserable clubs,my club may be small, new members or old members come to that, get advice and practical help.


Edited by 423zero - 11 Nov 19 at 7:16am

Blimey, lots of sad depressed people last night spouting doom and gloom.

To hand out RYA certificates, you need to be an RYA instructor working somewhere which is an RYA training centre. Does any other organisation do things any other way?

As a class multiple champion, running coaching sessions, you don't need to be an RYA coach or instructor (though the courses might help the structure), you just can't run RYA Start Racing. As this isn't the aim, what's the problem?

Billy can teach his mates to sail. Chances are, most clubs would object to Billy having his mates pay him to do this, but again, this isn't the point. Billy can even teach his mate's mates to sail. But what if Billy knot only knew how to sail, but got taught how to teach, too? He might pick up some hints and tips to teach his mates and their mates to sail better? Still no certificates allowed, but that's not the point, right?

But now, people want to pay Billy to teach them to sail. Suddenly, the game changes. They might want proof of his expertise, a piece of paper at the end of it to show that they learned. Billy might want the reassurance of insurance cover if something goes wrong. Maybe he could teach sailing through his club structure and get all that?

Or carry on teaching his mates, quite happily.

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons Originally posted by tink Found some PY numbers from 2012 with the number of returns, total returns 211,000 Same number 2019 - 138,000  There where a lot more classes in 2012 and perhaps the RYA is ignoring the small classes in the newer returns but still quite a difference, radically different from the 216,000 the participation survey says race small boats  The problem is that classes who return fewer than 100 races don't figure in the main PN list, and while some of the others manage to do enough to get into the EN list it doesn't publish the numbers of races returned. And in both cases it is the number of race not the number of participants that is counted.