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I am not dissing the Aero - it is a very popular boat that is sailed by many and clearly doing very well as I mentioned. Its just not for me and if it was the only product available then I would not participate, but fortunately for me it is not!

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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

One important thing is that if a club tweaks the PY to reflect local conditions, the poor guy that does the changing has to wear a false beard to hide from the crowds of people telling him where he has gone wrong.

The RYA py may not be perfect, but a club can blame them instead of having the endless discussions each weekend

If the RYA prescribed to the clubs when to change the handicaps within their own data false beard sales would decline.

of course it would take consensus amongst each clubs sail coms to use such a system, so perhaps false beard sales would increase?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 19 at 1:26pm
So at our club I guess that I am the guy who should go buy the beard as I chair the sailing committee which also tweaks the PYs. Interestingly we have experienced very few comments or negative feedback because we have been transparent and everyone can see the data we used to tweak the PYs. Ultimately changing the PYs has not resulted in massive differences in the outcome of who wins over a series but it has made the results much closer and more fun in my view.
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And thatís the point, make the racing closer, make it more competitive / fun. Be transparent.

Most clubs wonít change without a mandate from the governing body though as itís seen as too risky to upset the racing membership / cliques.

People tend to get very defensive about change to their py, seeing it as slight on themselves or attributing it to low statistical certainty and poor data, forgetting that the big data maybe just as bad for that particular club/class as the local small data. After all its a pastime and itís just meant to make it more fun, and who wants minutes separating results when you can get it down to seconds and make the win feel even more of an achievement.
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Yup, and you can get a primary yardstick with as few as 100 races returned, that would be easy to achieve with just a couple of keen boats (at L&LSC even one boat sailing three Sundays a month would log up 100 races if they sailed all year round, might try it in the Spice next year, see if I can get a PN I can sail to Wink ).
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Originally posted by H2

With regard the use of fully batterned mains on singlehanders - I do agree that these are a fad and personally I believe that a sail with a top battern or two that are full with the rest of the sail soft is the best compromise, especially for lighter winds and shifty lakes!

So the Solo is a fad unsuited to lake racing? Hmmm.
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Besides Cirrus - your a man who clearly enjoys having his own opinion :-)

Something about about kettle and pot comes to mind .. now what was it  ?   ;-)   But the real irony is that you now very neatly prove the point raised even in replying.   As will I  ... so  'Bye' should suffice.
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Originally posted by A2Z

Originally posted by H2

With regard the use of fully batterned mains on singlehanders - I do agree that these are a fad and personally I believe that a sail with a top battern or two that are full with the rest of the sail soft is the best compromise, especially for lighter winds and shifty lakes!

So the Solo is a fad unsuited to lake racing? Hmmm.

Umm, that is not what I said. I do think the Solo would be nicer to sail with the lower part of the sail soft rather than fully battened though. Just a personal opinion. Clearly the Solo has done amazingly well and lots of people sail them so they can sail against all the others that sail them...but as mentioned on other posts that does not mean its a boat without fault!
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Have you actually sailed one?

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Fully battened or not is a matter of taste. I'm not a fan, JimC has stated in the past that he can't see why anyone would use anything else, or words to that effect. Maybe the Solo would have sold thousands more with a soft sail, maybe it would have bombed. Impossible to know.
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