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    Posted: 22 Oct 19 at 6:57pm
Farr be it from me, to wind this place up to another Frenzy, but the back ground to this question is the Jolly little Farr 3.7 and it's acquisition by, I'm going to guess a young chap about to try and do battle at a club called Netley (No I've never heard of it either, but I think Dougaldog must have some sway there). Anyway the long and the short of it is the boat is quite challenging to sail to it's handicap. Wether that be the 1063 I'm using ex Great Lakes, or the 1039 the class at some stage must have suggested, or the 1035, that Lyme put in place for an ex hot shot Contender guy. Either way Netley in their wisdom have decided to stuff the poor chap with some thing quite impossible.

I've long since given up on any thought that the system currently in place is ever going to do the 'right' thing for embryonic classes, quite the contrary, in fact, we all know it is often used to suppress any new class unless it is supported by the 'right' people.

So, I wonder how many of you folk here are really that concerned about the yardstick rating your particular current ride enjoys?

And, do we think the current system really serves our best interest, given the broader scope of handicap racing that exists these days, over class events?

Or do we just enjoy the ride and to hell with the spreadsheet results?

So, consider the blue touch paper well and truly lit.

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There are far to many variables, I just get a feeling of where I am against my peers and hope to improve over time.
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The difference in speed between two boats from the same class with one sailed by a normal club sailor and the other by a "superstar" is much more than any adjustment in PY introduced each year.

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Originally posted by iGRF



So, consider the blue touch paper well and truly lit.


I don't have a 'current ride' - well not one I race and not one defined as a boat; but it's still sailing when there's wind and hand powered when there's not... a bit like a Trireme I guess, but just one oar, and freeriding for sh*ts and giggles rather than imperial invasion and looting being the primary objectives.

Any 'rides' that I would want to own have no local class racing - neither in my main place of residence over here in the EU, nor in the centre of the pitiful island I sadly inhabit to earn a crust during the week.

I guess I could compromise and worry about such things as what a spreadsheet says at the end of a good or bad sesh, but honestly I'm over all that for the time being.  

It looks likes Jim was right all along.  I now accept the future of club dinghy racing is handicap racing.... 

So dear Graeme, keeping taking the pills my friend, they won't cure you, but they will at least manage the symptoms for a while longer.




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Yardstick racing is based on timed results. 3 boats, in 3 different places, sailed by 3 different standard helms... Of course the yardstick won't be correct. 3 different guesses is all you have.
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I have found that I tend to end up in much the same position on PY whatever class I am sailing over a SERIES ... you really need several races in a range of conditions to make it work.  A one-off PY Race cannot really be taken too seriously.


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Originally posted by davidyacht

I have found that I tend to end up in much the same position on PY whatever class I am sailing over a SERIES ... you really need several races in a range of conditions to make it work.  A one-off PY Race cannot really be taken too seriously.
I think that about sums it up, nicely put
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Donít ply golf so donít know how their system works but personal handicap seams to be the way to go. Everyone wins. The Championship sailors are put under more pressure and have to try harder, the novices are encouraged and donít get disheartened. The great thing is you get a gauge of how you are doing. My club runs a personal handicap Wednesday night series per suit race. It is good to see how you personal handicap changes each week. 

I think it would actually revive dinghy sailing because with the right mind set you could race older uncompetitive boats and not feel so penalised as you can see your relative performance improve. 
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Not at all fussed.

I smile at the benefits of the 2000 Handicap.

I laugh at the ludicrous 970 for the 300.

I wonder at how the Tasars Py can seem so harsh in the light and good in the breeze.

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Originally posted by sargesail



I laugh at the ludicrous 970 for the 300.

Horses for courses.

The problem with any handicap system is a boat like this that does one "thing" especially well. On a club round the cans course in preferably marginal planing conditions your will not see where an RS300 went even off 970. 

On a triangle/sausage course they perform much more averagely due to the long run.

I would guess that most of the returns are club ones on medium sized lakes where they sail round the cans - hence the low PY number.


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