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More clubs that are aligned with waterside sports centers with slipways, that can provide facilities for multiple shore based and water sports, with employed staff, like Plas Heli or WPNSA, allowing people to dip in and out of different activities.

More of a club owned boat model.  Hopefully using lighter but tough construction methods ... more like Aeros.

Greater proportion of singlehanded boats.

Difficult issues to address as world becomes more risk averse, won’t be able to sail if it is windy or clubs will be sued.  Rescue boats will only be allowed to be manned by those with qualifications.


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To the rescue boat bit, good. Surprised this isn't already the case everywhere.
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If the trickle down occurs, maybe dinghies in 2035 will look like this...
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Has there even been any significant trickle down from AC to dinghies? Plenty the other way...
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Originally posted by JimC

Has there even been any significant trickle down from AC to dinghies? Plenty the other way...


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Well nothing much has changed in the past fifteen years, I can't see much happening in the future and even if it did the PYAG would ensure it didn't gain traction, so you can thank it for your moribund state and imprisonment of the status quo and big business classes.

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Originally posted by Sussex Lad


....they don't have the experience that's necessary for practicing club related skills. Power boating, course laying, Race officering, committee work and the like. Generally speaking the younger generations are less likely to volunteer with the same commitment. Outlooks have changed along with life styles. Altruism, the desire to help out by volunteering is in serious decline for one reason or another. 


Of course you only have to hop on a ferry to find that the UK rigmarole of weekly club [handicap] racing, and all the busywork it creates is not some fundamental law of the universe  Wink but a rather narrow obsession. One that doesn't work for many people attracted by the more general idea of going sailing in small boats.  

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Although hobbies are a great way to forget the stress of life, the stress of life also reduces folks desire to play. 



+1 ...and having gone in only a few decades from one breadwinner, to both parents working for about the same household income, to two breadwinners with not much expectation of owning a family home/early retirement/nice pension maybe it's the British boomer model of sailing that needs to change...?


Originally posted by Sussex Lad


The commitment and skills (administrative and practical) needed to run clubs are disappearing faster than the number of participants.   



You could equally argue that maybe the present generation in control of the sport lacks communication skills to promote the sport effectively (as TT notes). Articulating why a complex, time consuming and expensive sport is worth people's time over and above other simpler but ostensibly equally rewarding activities is a big part of the puzzle but not one that seems to be adressed by clubs or the governing body to any great degree.       



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The governing bodies (plural) don't seem to have much idea about how to promote sailing at the grass roots level, that combined with the H&S issues related to casual tuition and the commercialisation of many 'approved' training facilities** has made starting out in sailing a more expensive exercise than it once was. Long gone are the days when an 11 year old* could be given a beaten up Oppie for his birthday and after a (very) brief instruction session, pushed off to work it out for him/herself.

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** There are shining examples of training centres, mostly club based IME with highly committed instructors.


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I was looking at the RYA participation survey a few days ago. I was shocked at how low small boat racing was compared to both canoeing and canal boating. 


This got me thinking, compared to dinghy racing both activities are less weather and schedule dependent. Both activities are also less dependant on other people and generally quicker to set up without the commitment of doing safety duties. 


So rather than focusing on performance in 2035 boats will make sailing more accessible with less time expensive. Every aspect of dinghy sailing needs looking at, maintenance, rigging time launching etc, but also clothing. Thin warm, durable and coated with anti bacterial nano something, never smells and doesn’t get wet, simply hung up after sailing to air. Boots excluded because stinky sailing boots are part on the fun. 


NASA, Space X and anyone else should be completely banned from thinking about going to Mars until we have sorted out weather forecasting so it is accurate to the hour, locally and spot on  four or five days out. More local weather stations feeding back true data into the algorithms would help. People have commitments and being able to plan in advance with certainty that that this Sunday they will be going sailing. Start times could become flexible and published on Wednesday: the Saturday 12.00 light wind race, the 10.00 Sunday heavy weather race. 


As many above have said single handed sailing will become more popular. Simpler boats with multiple rigs will continue to be the norm, not a direction I particularly like. I hope someone will have put the Herreshoff rig used by Dave Clark on the UFO on a proper boat. It has a lot of positive points, cheaper spars, minimal controls but still controllable.


Somewhere in my head there is an idea for intelligent tell tales maybe a fabric, maybe electronic but something that changes colours in response to flow over the sail. 


For club racing we could see the end of race officers, automatic starting and race tracking doing all the grunt, you just hand in your race logger at the end of the day. Bar sails will go up as the post race analysis can be replayed on a big tv screen. This will reduce duties but obviously safety still required and they will also lay the computer start marks. 


What is certain is that CVDRA will be the growth area as people see the value of keeping old boats going. Perhaps this could link to PY system that allows for the age of the boat maybe combined with more personal handicap racing. Never got into golf but I am sure there are lessons to be learnt there .


Whatever there will still be a hard core of club dinghy sailors 



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Originally posted by tink


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<p ="p2"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; min-height: 22.7px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;"></span>

<p ="p1"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;">As many above have said single handed sailing will become more popular. Simpler boats with multiple rigs will continue to be the norm, not a direction I particularly like. I hope someone will have put the Herreshoff rig used by Dave Clark on the UFO on a proper boat. It has a lot of positive points, cheaper spars, minimal controls but still controllable.</span>

<p ="p2"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; min-height: 22.7px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;"></span>

<p ="p1"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;">Somewhere in my head there is an idea for intelligent tell tales maybe a fabric, maybe electronic but something that changes colours in response to flow over the sail. </span>

<p ="p2"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; min-height: 22.7px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;"></span>

<p ="p1"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;">For club racing we could see the end of race officers, automatic starting and race tracking doing all the grunt, you just hand in your race logger at the end of the day. Bar sails will go up as the post race analysis can be replayed on a big tv screen. This will reduce duties but obviously safety still required and they will also lay the computer start marks. </span>

<p ="p2"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; min-height: 22.7px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;"></span>

<p ="p1"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;">What is certain is that CVDRA will be the growth area as people see the value of keeping old boats going. Perhaps this could link to PY system that allows for the age of the boat maybe combined with more personal handicap racing. Never got into golf but I am sure there are lessons to be learnt there .</span>

<p ="p2"="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 19px; line-height: normal; font-family: ".SF UI Text"; color: rgb69, 69, 69; min-height: 22.7px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span ="s1"="" style="font-family: ".SFUIText"; font-size: 19pt;"></span>

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As the owner of two older boats, I would like to get involved with the CVDRA . With the current fixed access age that's not possible and the number of boats is reducing rather than growing to allow more involvement as you suggest
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