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Originally posted by getafix

....and the crappy deck layout and awful (antiquated) rudder.  Why change it when ready made 'better' alternatives are already out there with modern construction?

The rudder is easy to improve, just allow the leading edge to be vertical. Ok it won't be a complete answer, only a new blade would do that but it would make the boat lighter on the helm and a little nicer to sail.
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I sail a laser for a week or two each year at a activities/beach resort holiday. The boats are in a well used situation, knackered  (hence won’t name the company) every boat feels different but by keeping it flat and adjust controls it is possible to get the helm to feel fine. It is quite easy to sail a laser rudderless (with the tiller tied), so if you’re sailing with minimal use of rudder, which surely is our aim, the rudder issues evaporate. 
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The rudder would be much improved by simply allowing you to move the pivot hole. 

Major changes won’t happen, and as for the “carbon” top mast I’d love to know the actual carbon %. 
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I used to think the rudder was an issue as well.
I since got better at sailing.
i now think the laser rudder teaches good technique.
It’s not an issue as long as you learn to sail it well.
I never found it that uncomfortable either.

Having said all that. I now have an Aero. Mainly because it’s just more fun.

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Originally posted by L192444

as for the “carbon” top mast I’d love to know the actual carbon %. 

My understanding is that the topmast design is intended to replicate the alloy spar as well as possible, so the carbon content won't be spectacularly high.
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TBF that is an impossible task, either it will be stiffer or lighter (by a significant margin) and either way it's dynamic response will be much faster than alloy.
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The tale is that the layup is a complex mixture of glass and carbon to get the properties right.
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I'll bet they are quicker though, or why bother........
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They bother to make them longer-lasting, without the fatigue problem of highly stressed alloy spars.

I do agree that just allowing the rudder to hang more vertically would make the boat feel nicer. It would just reduce the weight on the helm, which is noticeable even when you are sailing well (ie inside the top 10 nationally).

Tink, in a breeze and chop on a Laser you're actually using a lot of helm to get over the waves fast.  Check Schiedt's tiller waggling here;




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Originally posted by CT249


They bother to make them longer-lasting, without the fatigue problem of highly stressed alloy spars.
I do agree that just allowing the rudder to hang more vertically would make the boat feel nicer. It would just reduce the weight on the helm, which is noticeable even when you are sailing well (ie inside the top 10 nationally).
Tink, in a breeze and chop on a Laser you're actually using a lot of helm to get over the waves fast.  Check Schiedt's tiller waggling here;



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