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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8338 |
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Captain Sparrow's post makes a lot of sense. More power, even within the current rule set, could just give you the nudge you need. If you can get planing at a point where the lasers are still displacement, you'll reduce the wind strength you need to beat them. That then gives on confidence in the boat, and a virtuous circle begins.
And developing a new sail, even a new rig, is cheaper than a whole boat! And go visit other 3.7s for some mutual coaching/practice. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Ridiculous - it will never work! It's obviously going to be physically impossible to balance something like that. What sort of fool do you take Grumpf for?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 5719 |
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I have, but the RYA won't recognise it on their handicap system even though they are supposed to be Windsurfings governing body, the last excuse I heard was that there were 'too radical differences between planing and none planing" Then they went and granted a yardstick to Foiling craft.. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 5719 |
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I agree and retain this as the current option, I've tried a fixed foil which had an effect but more negative than positive. The problem is that there aren't exactly T foil rudder shops you can just rock up and buy. Re the sail I cut down a Vortex sail I had left over from the V2 and it does improve the off the start line capability in light airs and earlier trapezing so it is a thing I'm working on, I've asked my local sail builder who is unfortunately rushed off his feet with work in season and following his post I shall ask cap'n jack. We have a facebook page we chat about this stuff on but the problem is there are so few of us and we are all at the furthest points of the country South West, South East, Nosebleed West etc and some of the earlier class stalwarts that could help have had to give up through health issues. But the big issue remains waterline length and as you suggested earlier, it needs stretching. It's already like Triggers broom the bits I'm paying to have rebuilt, all in under two years of ownership and it's got to go back this winter for further repairs and upgrades. So sometimes you wonder wether it's good money after bad and better to clear the decks and start over, hence the quandry that started the thread. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8338 |
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I assume rudder is on a gantry?
Could be worth contacting Jo Richards, who designed a N12 with a T foil which whipped everything. Edited by Rupert - 29 Sep 19 at 2:40pm |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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Graham - Delta has already given you a good idea - a low rider Moth, Up in North Wales Miles James is turning out Axeman hulls in Carbon - I think then come out at 8kg. Knowing how aware you are of the conditions at H&S, you could go for something a generation earlier than the Axeman - as Delta said, a Magnum (John Claridge still has the moulds) which is not only quick enough to easily beat the laserarti, but because the PY system was still playing catch up, if you get the right design you're not hauled back by a hefty PY number (the low riders now have a nice, official set of PYs on an age related sliding scale - but that is boat age, not you). Plus of course there is a lot of interest today in the low riders, so you'd not be the only lowrider in your village. There is of course a downside: sailing a lowrider will put you at the bottom of a very steep learning curve and there is just no way around that. Moth sailors of yesteryear have all been there, sworn that they'd "burn the bloody thing" only to find themselves ripping past much faster boats on the water. At 70kg you'd be perfect, for less than the cost of your t-foil, you could be out there and getting to grips with the idea. Come to think about it...with all your boardsailing experience, the 'half on the wings' water start would be a natural progression for you. Once you've cracked the basics, then the world of innovation really is your oyster.... it is worthy of serious thought D
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8338 |
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Remembering GRFs comments in the past about how certain boats are impossible to sail (read, you can't just jump in and go) I don't think a low rider is the way to go.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 5719 |
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And you'd be right. I once race officered for the Moth Europeans held at Hythe back in 1988 or thereabouts, we had a practice race it was a light force 2-3 maybe early 4 tops. They ended up scattered between Hythe and Seabrooke 2 miles down the coast almost every groin had a moth stranded ashore. Don't think I'll be headed in that direction anytime soon if I were going to I might as well go the whole hog and foil. Jack's now got me pondering how much more performance I could squeeze out of the 3.7, it is such a joy to sail, just not a great race boat in a handicap fleet where it's difficult to beat bloody Lasers over the water, never mind the spreadsheet, not that that even worrys me that much these days if I've had a great sail and half decent over the water result. |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2920 |
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NZ Farr 3.7's regularly beat Lasers over the water.
Much of the issue when not powered up is downwind where Lasers are not hampered by shrouds. Adding an Asymmetric powers you up downwind in your handicap fleet. When you fleet race 3.7's (eventually) you are still legal and not handicapped by weight. You can remove correctors to compensate for your spinnaker kit, to 50kg. Hulls have been / can be built down to 30kg ish for this purpose. Talk to Mike Cooke at Aardvark Technologies who could put you in touch with Kevin Ellway who could do the maths for a T Foil solution. Mike can sort your adjustable rudder system and 3D CNC the foil etc... Talk to Chris Mitchel (NZ Americas Cup boffin and NZ 3.7 Class Sec) about your rig etc... And all should be good. edit: (retrofitting a spinnaker to your 3.7) Look how good she looks: ![]() Edited by Jack Sparrow - 30 Sep 19 at 2:00pm |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1011 |
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Yes Jack it does look very good.
iGRF. Admittedly I don't know the build issues which might have tainted your feelings but really two years is no time at all to tweak and get fully comfortable with a new boat. It sounds like the ideal platform for your stature and from what Jack says it's not yet fully optimised in single sail form and then there's the kite option to explore. I know you've an inquisitive mind but just try thinking of the time you have in the bank with the 3.7 as an investment that with a little more time and tweaks will payout into a really nice package. Alright it's a bit short. Com'on though, so are you and I, like what you have, shorties can have their day and where'd be the fun if it was always easy? Embrace your inner terrier and enjoy being an ankle nipper ( I do ). |
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