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What about tasking the existing Contender builder to create a one off at about 50kgs? It would be a new class but with proven set up credentials to reduce the test and adjust time. The time could then be spent creating a new modern rig to allow a lower weight helm, which will also be assisted by the lower weight hull. Probably cheaper than a from scratch development.

Id be interested to see a boat with the Contenders inherent stability without the 600s no compromise rig/ hull form.

It might be quite tricky to tack in chop like a an IC is without the hull weight inertia.
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Originally posted by E.J.

What about tasking the existing Contender builder to create a one off at about 50kgs? It would be a new class but with proven set up credentials to reduce the test and adjust time. The time could then be spent creating a new modern rig to allow a lower weight helm, which will also be assisted by the lower weight hull. Probably cheaper than a from scratch development.

Id be interested to see a boat with the Contenders inherent stability without the 600s no compromise rig/ hull form.

It might be quite tricky to tack in chop like a an IC is without the hull weight inertia.


I did approach Hartleys at one show or other asking if they'd consider it, but got the usual treatment unknowns get at shows by amateur boatbuilding sales staff even if you have the cheque in your pocket. (You won't believe how many sales have been lost by idiots ignoring customers with the cash burning a hole in their pocket) but the answer was no, which is a shame.

When you consider it must be one of the few single handers that need a crew to help pull up the slip, not one boat at the Nationals was recovered single handed and the extreme irony? They're all carrying lead.
Yet they have some amazing high tech rigs, rdm masts (windsurfing term for reduced diameter mast, they called it something different). So I fully agree a Contender Lite would be the ultimate option especially if, as a new class a couple of other rules could be introduced like on the fly rake adjustment, shrouds more friendly to running by the lee. (It can be managed in the Solution if you slacken them and fully dump the kicker) They already have some shorter leech rigs that helps the nose grinding the deck during tacks issue. If the hull were down to the maximum least weight it could be, I'm sure there's a formula somewhere that the sail size could be reduced to in order to maintain performance similarity.

But it's the obvious and common sense thing to do, so no chance of it ever happening in this industry.

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Griff,
If you like a boat why not find a way of dragging it up the beach, get a small tractor or something similar, someone at Draycott was converting a disability scooter for launch and recovery, develop something like This thousands would thank you.

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I would of thought a low-rider International Moth would suit your requirements, quick in light airs can be sailed in a breeze and bimbling to your hearts content .
An early Magnum design or one known for better stability must be lurking waiting to be picked up for a few pounds.
Or ask John Claridge to knock you up one slightly beefed up for your shore dump, much cheaper than 20k experiment.
Or there must be loads of unwanted hulls from all sorts of classes with known characteristics that you can develop a good rig on, until ready for the 20k version.
Years ago somebody stuck a sliding seat on a Fireball and did well in the old IYRU single-handed trials (minus the kite).  

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Originally posted by 423zero

Griff,
If you like a boat why not find a way of dragging it up the beach, get a small tractor or something similar, someone at Draycott was converting a disability scooter for launch and recovery, develop something like This thousands would thank you.


Griff? Great that's a new one, I'll add it to the list I quite like that one.

We have a winch, once the boats on the trailor, but it's not just getting it up the beach, launching it, pulling the damn thing even down the shingle is a drag, then there are times you don't get much time before it'll be pummelled if you hang around at the waters edge, and if say you've had to bale early and there's no-one on the beach, just getting it clear of the water is a herculean effort, never mind onto the trailor, tha's a two or three man job. I can just about get my Farr out and onto its trolley alone. This was what really killed my enthusiasm for the V2 I built, it turned out off the scale weight wise.

Fundamentals 1) Light, 50kgs tops. 2) Retracting foils it was humourous to watch some of the recovery antics at Broadstairs with those with bladed fixed rudders having to capsize in the surf before the water got too shallow. Our Aero chap gets up to some shenanigans at times, our beach = kick back everything preferably.



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Nobody has mentioned the Vortex yet (ducks and runs for cover  Tongue)
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Griffin bloody auto correct.
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Originally posted by iGRF



Never come across a Toy and fleet racing does emphasise body differences even more in dinghy than it does in windsurfing and people whine about any activity one might consider to even things out, like pumping.



Why not get a Europe then...a class on the up, cheap robust second hand boats, a mast and sail to match your body size, free pumping in 10+ knots, 45kg hull, not far off boat for boat racing with Lasers in most conditions, a short hop across on the ferry gets you 50-150 boat fleets in some nice corners of Europe including a Masters Europeans.

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https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/221946/Europe-class-Open-Belgium-Championship




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So - you want a new craft that will compete/beat the Contenders, is
light, easy to launch recover etc ?

Perhaps start with a lightweight (20kg) hull. retracting daggerboard, approx 3.8m long, dispense with the wiggle stick and use a fixed 'mini rudder', set the rig from a track that slides fore and aft, dispense with those silly wire shrouds, install a flexible joint between the mast base and the track, dispense with those silly toe straps, stand more on it than in it, use your bodyweight to support the rig, cant the rig to windward, use feet and rig movement to steer

Give it a suitable name - perhaps after a strong wind - Mistral ?, Tornado ?

Cant imagine why you've not tried this ?

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Or you could;-

- get a correct size sail, from a good loft for your 3.7 (yours is undersize)

- think about your rig, which isn't right. (the hull is one design, the rig is a box rule)

- add an Asymmetric to your 3.7 (totally within the rules)

- carry on developing your T foil (it needs to be adjustable. Totally within the rules)

i.e spend your thought on developing a boat that suits you, rather than looking elsewhere to coarsely increase your position on the water by means of a boat that will only suit you in light weather.

But - the easiest solution to your light weather dilemma. If you don't want to engage your mental faculties to improve what you have, is to get a bigger sail for your 3.7.

I could even give you the 'work in progress' for the increased sized sail that was being developed by the class back in 2012. For consideration at the AGM. It didn't progress. But there's no reason that it shouldn't be voted in for UK use. If you developed a bigger sail plan that performed well. 
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