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JimC
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Topic: Dare I even discuss a new class? Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 8:28am |
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You get something rather like my Plusplus, which had a lot of the same DNA. Edited by JimC - 27 Sep 19 at 1:38pm |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 9:08am | ||
Buy a new Laser hull from LP, Laser 2 mast and standing rigging, better than Laser 1 rudder, redesigned dagger board that fits existing slot. Larger Laser 2 sail and wire should give you more speed than standard Laser 1 and in lighter winds you will be able to hike with other Laser 1 sailors.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 9:13am | ||
Sounds like we need to see pictures of the Plus Plus. I had thought that Rupert and it remains a relatively low-cost option, but as a marketable concept would it have the same appeal as something entirely new. I'm also really impressed by the performance of the Aero 7, we've had a good guy learning how to get the best out of one on our water also this summer and there have been times when even on the wire (well semi wiring offwind) it has creamed past the Farr.) I do not like being overtaken and that's what's been going on all summer due to the lack of waterline length downwind. So, would stretching the 3.7 stop that? It's already considerably heavier than an Aero. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 9:23am | ||
Back to the concept, My thinking was split hull at the rear, mono bow. The two rear hulls would be canoe or div 2 hull shaped, centre tunnel joining them. the Tunnel would also provide a light wind trapezing point and help the kick out and a straddle point for elimination of kneeling down wind.
The Mono bow ends at the mast and centreboard case. Having rounded rear hulls keeps wetted surface to the minimum for lake whilst also providing stability, not to wide this time so righting it isn't an issue like the V2. Not being wide makes it also more suitable to trapezing or some form of wing for folk who don't want to trapeze, I think it should be optional. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 9:28am | ||
HA, I had thought of that even. But it's not a great shape to trapeze off, like the aero, I had a look at that as I did the Phantom so see if I couldn't just put wires on something that already exists and the Phantom is probably the best to consider but it's still quite a step up from the inside onto the outer rail and you spend so much time in between in gusty wind. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 9:39am | ||
Never come across a Toy and fleet racing does emphasise body differences even more in dinghy than it does in windsurfing and people whine about any activity one might consider to even things out, like pumping.
Yes, 5'6" 67 kgs maybe 70 in full kit. As for all the boats, I have cast my gaze wide and been through a few now and have yet to come across one that isn't flawed in one way or another, you also need to add Contender to your big guys list, along with the D1, MPS,RS700, RS600, RS300, RS100, EPS In fact I'd argue there's more for big guys than small, what do we have? Streaker? Lightning? Supersofa? Solution is a middle weights boat as is the Solo and the Laser with it's main rig if the breeze is up. The Farr is the right boat for my size, it's just not the right length as I've said all along. Edited by iGRF - 27 Sep 19 at 9:41am |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 12:18pm | ||
Happily living in the past
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 1:01pm | ||
When I owned a ToY I found it very heavy and lacking in power, despite the seat. Shroud base too far back to do more than broad reach, but the speed wasn't there to make it worth it. Too easily beaten by Lasers.
A modern take on the concept, half the weight, maybe with a similar bow but with GRFs tunnel hull aft, if we have to! |
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rich96
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 1:06pm | ||
Can you fit a L2 rig on a Laser ?. One is totally unstayed ? One sail or 2 ? This surely is not a great plan. |
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rich96
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 1:09pm | ||
Buy a Contender. Get a flat cut sail for the breezy days. Accept that, at your size, you wont be quick in breeze (the same will really apply to any single hander) Enjoy the light days. Learn to sail it to the point that the limiting factor isn't you Then - once you have pushed the boat to its limit - think about what you could do to make it better Sorted Next |
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