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With the centreboard capping " coffee table" possibly to be removed on the new Solo, I noticed how much I use it downwind in light winds. And that is from the front third of a handicap fleet. The unavoidable fact is that the majority of the Solo fleet has enjoyed wearing their knees out so the shallow cockpit boats and kneeling whilst sailing is not a great option.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Problem with the webbed strap for the outhaul is the friction c/w a track.  Roger Angel used to insert a stainless steel rod with a block running on it, which worked quite well.  To be fair the inhaul system on Solos pretty much negates the need to adjust the outhaul.  I would suggest the two reasons not to go to carbon booms would be that these would not be off the shelf like the Selden section and would cost more.

Don't ever seem to have an issue with the outhaul on my phantom david. 

Cost is certainly an issue. On P&B the SS ali boom is £172 and the Phantom carbon SS is £580.

Mast wise, the Solo tapered is £707 whereas the Phantom cheapest is £1700. 

Bearing those sorts of costs in mind, what is the point of change? You ain't going to magic up a huge performance increase that is justified by that sort of price increase. 
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The point seems to be : chase some younger new buyers and sell more new boats. The downside seems to be that in this chase you compromise your existing owners.
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balancing act of course, but to be fair the existing boat seems to collect the middle-aged as well as the older sailors. The danger as you say is chasing the younger sailors and in so-doing alienating the older ones. I'm afraid to say that the Solo is never going to be sexy, not matter how much lipstick you apply to it so why not stick with its usp and keep going with the 40+ demographic which seems to be working quite nicely as it is.
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I'd be reluctant to change anything significant on the second most popular singlehander in the UK  Embarrassed

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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

The point seems to be : chase some younger new buyers and sell more new boats.

As its a survey the point would seem to be to ask the membership what they think. Fairly silly not to put everything you can think might come up in a survey, even if you think it very unlikely the membership would be enthused.

Saves a lot of time if every time someone says, "you really need to have x" you can say "actually we asked the class membership and got a resounding no".


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Hope you are right. We had a similar review a couple of years ago and it would be easy to think the question is being asked until the "correct" answer is given!
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Originally posted by zeon

Originally posted by CT249

 

How modern can a boat designed in the 1950s look, unless it gets a new hull, complete new rig, new deck, new foils and just keeps the same mainsheet block?


You missed my point a little  Every boat has to gently updated . Not to make it look brand new but to stop it looking old and out of date. 
I sail in a class that was designed in 1932, but that doesnít mean it still has to  solid wood decks and a wood mast and boom.  Itís had two weight reductions, can be made out of frp and can have carbon masts and boom. 

No, I didn't miss the point. Probably we are just coming from different angles. I tend to look at the boat's basic design more; things like hull rocker, bow angles, overall configuration and style, leach outline and other aspects of rig design, etc.  If you're looking at an older class like Solo, your BM, and plenty of my own classes from that angle, no amount of updating is going to disguise the fact that the basic design came from decades ago. Even if you got someone to make a full carbon BM, Solo, Laser or Tasar and gave it leading-edge 2019 spars, fittings and sails it still wouldn't alter the fact that they are now old designs and look "out of date" from some points of view because of the age of their hull design. Even a Bladerider foiling Moth or a 2015 foiling A Class looks "out of date" in some ways, and no amount of small modification is going to change that.

BUT let me make it clear, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with being "out of date". It's a bit like a masterpiece of classical art or architecture or a classic car; the fact that something was designed years ago does not make it inferior. A boat like yours seems to achieve its purpose brilliantly and the fact that its basic design clearly shows its age does nothing to affect that.




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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Paramedic

Whats needed to put that to bed is a commitment that there will be no further rig changes for a minimum of - say - 5 years.

Trouble is that's a commitment that cannot be made in a democratically controlled class. The membership is always free to introduce a rule change.

The committee can make that commitment.

The membership can propose what they like.
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I voted for all the rule changes apart from the carbon spar options. The cost increase would make practically zero difference to the speed or feel of the boat. The flooding tanks is a win for the older sailors as the boat will float lower in the water. Getting rid of the centre case table just makes the boat more ergonomic and was only there in the first instance as this used to be the toe straps. The rudder at the back just saves the builder and hopefully the sailor some money in reduced complexity in the rudder stock design. All in all with the exception of the carbon spars a pretty sensible set of suggestions that won't significantly alter the value of existing boats nor make them obsolete. 
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