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L123456
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Topic: RYA Olympic Selection: Tokyo Posted: 04 Sep 19 at 1:26pm |
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I expect the biggest cost is the wage bill ... so if you stop spreading your support and coaching staff thinly and focus it on less athletes you will get better results. If the raw material (the athletes) are so evenly matched with just a year to go I would bet that selecting one and applying all the resources to improve it will be more likely to medal than letting the selection delay and then picking one at the last minute and having little time to put the icing on the cake. It probably doesn't matter if you pick one or the other to develop as the level is so similar and then use the run in to add the shine .... elite sport is a tough gig and a number of people are going to be disappointed. But the selectors and the performance director will know the likely outcomes of the various selection strategies and act accordingly ... tough decisions will have to be made.
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By The Lee
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 19 at 9:36am | |
Having spoken to a number to a number of olympic class coaches I am pretty confident that is the selection policy although I meant to say class euros instead of worlds. I don't think Enoshima last year was part of the trails. Unfortuantly for James and Flynn their rule 69 incident in Palma meant that Dylan and Stu won the 9er trail by quite a large margin for right or wrong. I would expect that all classes other than the Laser and Nacra will be announced soon.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 19 at 12:11pm | |
It's indeed a pity the selection process has been so screwed up by the RYA jobsworths over the years particularly in windsurfing where I'm pretty sure we don't have the best female available representing us and feel there are probably better male racers outside of the squad bubble, but then including them would mean the coaching system is not on it, which we also know to be true.
Back in the day, the last minute do or die event at Weymouth had a lot going for it. Free spirited none regimented racers that do it for the sheer fun, corinithian rather than low grade professional, offer far more imv. |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 19 at 12:31pm | |
Much though I would like to romanticize on this notion, as has been discussed on another recent thread, the days that a corinthian maverick sailor can cut it at an Olympic level are long gone, even if the openings were to be made available. This is borne out by a squint at the J70 Worlds where the leading Corinthian is lying in 13th place ... and this isn’t even an Olympic class. The reality is that you are only going to cut it if your sailing is 100% of your life, I think that the brutal realities of selection reflect this. There may be more gifted sailors, who probably would respond better to the coaching that the “squad” members have received, but I suspect that they have made life choices and probably have more complete lives as a result.
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Riv
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 19 at 9:07pm | |
" Free spirited non-regimented racers that do it for the sheer fun,
corinithian rather than low grade professional, offer far more imv." The question is what do the non regimented racers offer? For me it would be a sense of familiarity, they maybe are people that I can identify with. What strikes me is this: For any nation to succed in sailing anything at Olympic level the process is: 1) Establish a youth system 2) Select the best 3) Form small sqauds so they can train against each other. 4) Hier top coaches 5) Travel a lot 6) Find lots of money (maybe this should be number 1) The problem with this approach is that it is not familiar to most of us (some ,yes) and this results in a them and us situation. However if a nation wants to win medals this maybe the only approach that works. My point here is that elite sport has few/little grass roots connection and exists in its own medal factory bubble. This is because it has two aims. Firstly to win medals and secondly as entertainment, and they are interchangable in importance which depends on the flow of funds. Elite sport has lost its grass roots connections and is now a branch of the global entertainment industry. So let's not take it anymore seriously than the latest Hollywood film, fun but somehow over there and distant. |
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L123456
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 19 at 7:59pm | |
Given our recent medal hauls I think the process is sound.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 19 at 10:17pm | |
The process is sound if you accept the original premis of medals at any cost. What hasn't been good is the abandonment of the also-rans. You could say they are free to carry on sailing just as the rest of us do, but it must be hard to take the end of an Olympic dream. Maybe it explains the foiling moth phenomenon, where kicks are got in another high intensity way.
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L123456
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 19 at 11:14am | |
Elite sport is elite ... anyone who goes down that road knows the score ... If you are not making the performance levels you are off the programme; budgets are limited. The funding is all driven by medals. I note that they announce the selections on the 30th
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By The Lee
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 19 at 7:04pm | |
I have to agree I fact I think GBR is in danger of falling behind other sailing nations as we often have the arrogent view that we are the best sailing nation in the world and that the medals will take care of themselves. I think the BST is very much in danger of resting on its laurels. Just look at how unsuccessful GBR is at youth sailing other countries are beginning to catch up and run much better programs.
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giraffe
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Sep 19 at 8:46pm | |
GBR won 420 ladies worlds and ladies laser radial in 2019
GBR also placed well in numerous classes at ISAF worlds. Why do you think the country is so “unsuccessful” in youth sailing? Maybe it would be more pertinent to ask why countries such as Spain win at Youth level so regularly and then don’t do so well later? My observation of the GBR youth sailing process is that they run a great programme to develop successful adult sailors and don’t focus solely on winning at an early age. I think they might have got it right. Whilst there is always danger that we might fall behind, I don’t see the arrogance to which you refer or anyone resting on their laurels. |
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