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Posts: 1374 		Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 19 at 9:38am
No it’s not - but I do think that in dealing with the problem officials need to recognise the shift in communication culture of the young.

And where child and young athletes are concerned officials need to get inside their idioms, metaphors and expressions, not allowing their own older biases and heuristics to dominate.

And senior officials absolutely should not blur the line between Rule 2 and Rule 69. I think that is really unhelpful with the issue you are concerned with.
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Originally posted by Fatboi

Originally posted by L192444

Rule 69 defines misconduct as acts of bad manors and poor sportsmanship.

How does this translate to social media?

Would it be considered bad manners to question the judgement of the PRO or Jury during a championship?



I would say so, especially if you have over 30,000 followers on the page! Criticizing the PRO, race instruments is pretty poor show. 


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L192444... maybe clarify the incident you are referring to?

I'm not a big fan of wind limits in class or sailing instructions. Who measures, with what and when? It also seems to disregard other factors which affect the fairness of racing and suitability of boat (why not significant wave height, or maximum shift?).  

Secondly, people interpret wind limits as a safety measure and may assume it alleviates the sailors from their responsibilities under rule 4. This is not the case. Wind limits can be for a myriad of reasons. It's not a guarantee that racing is safe within the limits, or that it is unsafe outside the limits... but interpreting them as such is something injury lawyers would love! 

If you feel the wind limit was exceeded and that was improper and your result has been unfairly impacted, then fine, request redress. It'll be a hard one to win, however. 

But to go on Facebook, mid event and dispute the jury findings and declare the race unsafe isn't great for the reputation of the sport. 

If the sh*t really does hit the fan, and there's people in danger, then stop racing and help. No one is going to question redress for that. Your safety concerns may also sound more sincere. 
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Originally posted by sargesail

No it’s not - but I do think that in dealing with the problem officials need to recognise the shift in communication culture of the young.

And where child and young athletes are concerned officials need to get inside their idioms, metaphors and expressions, not allowing their own older biases and heuristics to dominate.

And senior officials absolutely should not blur the line between Rule 2 and Rule 69. I think that is really unhelpful with the issue you are concerned with.


Telling someone to “suck my balls” is sexual harassment. Unacceptable (and criminal) at the best of times, appalling to a minor. You cannot defend that as youth speak that old fuddyduddies don’t get.

There is a line for acceptable behaviour but that is very far from it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 19 at 10:24am
Originally posted by A2Z

 Telling someone to “suck my balls” is sexual harassment.  

But I can still threaten my crew with a tea-bagging, right? 

What if I shout 'get tea-bagged' at another boat?


Edited by mozzy - 09 Aug 19 at 10:24am
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I had to look that up, but I'd say no!
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Chances are, if it is banter between boats there will never be a protest. If aimed in a truly unpleasant way at another boat, then it is totally wrong and should be dealt with.
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Originally posted by mozzy

L192444... maybe clarify the incident you are referring to?


This I'm guessing:

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Bin her and the 2nd place Aussie - keep the trophy here!! Anyone who disagrees can suck my balls! 
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Wasn’t there a situation quite recently at a youth event, where the parent bad mouthed an official that resulted in junior getting disqualified?
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