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Sapspec8650
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Topic: Leeward Mark Rounding Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 9:17am |
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Hi - I am of a certain age (75 I think) & have been round the block several times. I now sail a single handed Heron & last week-end did so at the Heron Nationals. I had an incident that totally surprised me & I wonder if some of you out there can help.
So - I am approaching a leeward mark on a port, dead running - aiming to round to starboard. There is a boat on the same tack positioned slightly to lee of me. As I entered the Zone I call 'clear ahead, No water' & made to gybe... Now well in the zone the other boat calls 'windward boat - keep clear'. I reasoned he would ram me amidships so I held my port & gybed round behind him. My question. Does the windward leeward rule count in the zone? And while we are at it does the same apply for port/starboard. I didn't protest as I beat him by a country mile & it just seemed too much trouble. Grateful for your thoughts!
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 9:32am | |||||
Maybe only in the Heron fleet?!
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laser193713
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 9:48am | |||||
Rule 11 only applies when boats are overlapped, so the fact that you were clear ahead means that it doesn't apply regardless of the mark being there.
Once you enter the 3 boat lengths zone without being overlapped with this boat, and clear ahead, you have every right to gybe around the mark. Were you in the zone and making your rounding when the other boat called you up? What happened after the incident? Did you protest? The whole scenario seems very odd
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 9:57am | |||||
Windward boat and port/starboard do apply in the zone, they don't get turned off. A Right of Way boat still has right of way. However the right to mark room overrides them.
In practice that means you have to sail straight to the mark, you can't take a wide sweeping turn.
I'm a bit confused by your description though, I can't quite picture it. Was the leeward boat behind you as you approached the zone and then became overlapped outside you? |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 10:21am | |||||
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laser193713
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 12:09pm | |||||
Brass, 18.4 doesn't apply because the boats are not overlapped. The OP says that he was clear ahead.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 12:39pm | |||||
If you were clear ahead when the closest boat reached the zone then the boat clear astern shall give Mark Room. Rule 18.2b, c and the definition of Mark Room cover this.
The W/L rule does still apply but the Leewards boats actions are restricted by the requirement for them to give you Mark Room.
However if there was doubt about the overlap or lack of it then be aware of 18.2e:
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 5:51pm | |||||
Sounds like a little knowledge of the rules being a 'dangerous thing' in the case of your opponent. I suspect he has recently learned the W/L and P/S still apply in the zone but not that they don't override mark room.......
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ohFFsake
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 8:46pm | |||||
Perhaps he is working his way through the rule book in order, and has yet to encounter rule 18 |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 19 at 10:31pm | |||||
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