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Laser3
Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 19 Location: Jervis Bay Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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Topic: Types of course Posted: 20 Aug 19 at 10:01pm |
Get your RO to look at these
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Sam.Spoons
Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3398 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 19 at 10:11am |
Also, when you are maxed out with an assy you have to bear away as they are impossible to depower.
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JimC
Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 19 at 9:56am |
Its complicated between different classes, but very high performance boats (asymmettric or otherwise) only sail at one downwind angle in any given wind strength, which gives them both the best vmg and greatest speed thro' the water. So if the reach is tighter than the magic angle then they'll either have to go high and hoist late, or else struggle to make the mark (usually very slow). If on the other hand its broader than the magic angle then they'll have to gybe down to the mark just as if it were a run. But on a run they are hitting max speed and can pick their moment to gybe etc, whilst the slower boats are stuck bobbling down on the slowest point of sailing. When you get to slower asymmettrics esp in light winds, where max vmg and max speed do not coincide, then its a bit more complicated. There's nothing different about the physics between pole kite and asymmetric kite boats, its just that most pole kite rigs are so inefficient with short poles and small balloon shaped sails that they don't really have a magic angle to the extent something like a 49er does. |
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gbr22114
Newbie Joined: 16 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 19 at 9:38am |
I think you hit the nail right there - broad appeal is key, and a bit of fun is a huge part of it for lots of people. I used to be more at the competitive end of attitudes, but eventually realised that I was getting too annoyed at stuff (either other sailors or my own mistakes), and that I wasn't enjoying my hobby properly. These days I want to sail for enjoyment and will quite happily quit a race if it isn't pushing any buttons for whatever reason - though of course I understand that others enjoy what I find boring and vice versa.
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gbr22114
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 19 at 9:31am |
Obviously I need to pay more attention to how asymmetrics perform on different legs (aside from constantly taking my wind) - I don't understand why they wouldn't do reaching well. RO is indeed a tricky job, glad I only have to do it once this season
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gbr22114
Newbie Joined: 16 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 19 at 9:26am |
Amen to that
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Sam.Spoons
Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3398 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jun 19 at 9:58pm |
This just goes to reinforce what a thankless task RO can be and I've just volunteered for an extra Wednesday night duty in July (my first as RO at L&LSC).
Whatever you do you'll leave somebody dissatisfied, W/L course? The assy's will be delighted but the Solos and Enterprises will be baying for blood, all beats and reaches you'll have a posse of 400's waiting behind the boat shed for you........ You just can't win.......
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Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jun 19 at 9:29pm |
3 fetches and 2 runs was my least favourite recent course, but giant triangles with 2 broad reaches, interspersed with sausage runs are only made worse by taking the broad reaches away and just leaving the sausage. Just tedious in the extreme. At least the fetches and runs was a mistake.
I want a little excitement to go along with my tactics. |
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JimC
Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jun 19 at 7:50pm |
I remember sitting down and carefully watching a Solo Open at our club. While there weren't that many passing moves on the reaches, they had an immense effect on the results. The fast reaching boat would clear a space behind her, and only needed to keep a loose cover on the boats behind while she went hunting for the next place gain. By contrast the slow reaching boat had a pack snapping at their heels at the start of the beat and had to defend frantically rather than think about what was ahead.
Plus of course the gybe between two reaches tends to be forced, rather than being able to pick the right moment as on a run, which has a definite sorting out effect in a breeze... And frankly what ever the latest fad for courses is amongst the pros at the Olympics should have not the slightest influence on what makes for an amusing afternoon at Lower Whatsitford Sailing Club. The other thing is that really with things like picking courses one should listen to the back of the fleet, not the front. The tail end of the fleet is where growth will come from. If you ignore them and only listen to what the top ten want, before long you'll only have the top ten left. Edited by JimC - 17 Jun 19 at 7:53pm |
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ClubRacer
Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jun 19 at 7:37pm |
I wish our courses had less reaches in....
Although I do sail an asymmetric... How much reaching can you do before it gets boring? How much competitive sailing can you do before it gets boring? I bet you the latter is longer so must take priority as it can only be done in an arranged environment. Going off on some reaches can be done by your self away from others. Before anyone tries to argue that reaching is competitive, how many Olympic courses have significant amounts of reaching in it?
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