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Topic: IYRU, ISAF, WS Rejects ... Posted: 28 May 19 at 8:02am |
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2007 Women's Skiff Trials. 29er, 29erXX, RS800, Cherub Daemon, Carbonology GT60 and International 14. All satisfied the criteria but no 'winner' announced. There was no wind at the selection trials so another round was to be held... but women's high performance skiff got binned at the mid-year meeting. I'm not sure what GT60 is, so presumably it's not been a big success. The 29er XX was the worst boat I've sailed, and apart from a few rigs never gained much traction and any hopes were killed off at the 2012 trials. The rest were existing classes which have all continued as they were but none revisited the 2012 trials.
On the question of who 'won' the 2012 trials both the FX and 900 were recommended. There's a pretty full round up here. But if any boat won it was the FX. RS900: MNA Sailor Feedback - Number of sailors First Choice = 6, Second Choice = 6, Third Choice = 6 49er FX: First Choice = 11, Second Choice = 7, Third Choice = 0 In my opinion the 900 was the best boat. The FX was faster, longer and wider. Even now in decent breeze it will give 49er a good race. But it suited a heavier crew. The argument was that the FX would be easier to get a fleet with just rigs being needed. But in practice very few people buy rig only and put them on existing hull. The cost / benefit are very different than a radial/laser switch! I think long term the 900 might have been better in terms of sailor size.
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Daniel Holman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 19 at 9:20am | |||
My memory of that was that the women wanted the same boat as the men, which is reasonable I guess Esp when supply chain and immediate availability of hulls etc is considered. I think that parity is good in m/f disciplines. But means that again an incumbent is in a fortified position of strength.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 19 at 11:21am | |||
GT60 was the Paul Bieker designed Cherub.
Once the trials were complete the boat was renamed Ronin and raced successfully within the Cherub fleet. I heard that unfortunately the boat got a bit stuck in the mould and wouldn't release properly resulting in the mould being damaged beyond economical repair hence no more boats were built to this design. The Cherub Daemon was designed by Cherub sailor Richard Taylor and built by Aardvark but with Hartley's due to take on production if it had been selected. |
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laser47
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 19 at 10:08pm | |||
RS told my friends and I that there wasn't a market for the RS900 because small, light women didn't want to sail skiffs outside the five ring circus..... the irony of saying this to a bunch of small, lightweight women who wanted to buy and sail a skiff designed for women not a modified men's boat was slightly lost I think!!!
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 19 at 11:42pm | |||
Out of interest, L47, how many light women are currently sailing skiffs outside of the Olympic circus?
Down here in Australia, where we obviously have a long tradition of skiffs AND clubs where you get paid just to finish a Sunday race at the back of the fleet, there are very few women sailing skiffs. Proportionately far more women seem to sail hiking singlehanders, yachts and jib-and-main hiking doublehanders.
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So are they out sailing Cherubs now? |
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Maybe the off the shelf, one design aspect of a 900 style boat appeals more to this sector than a development class, especially one with the "tinkering" reputation that the Cherub has? |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 19 at 7:09am | |||
I think RS have a point, although bluntly put above. It's not that women don't want skiff, but more that market for skiffs is always going to be fairly niche and splitting it by gender and pro-am doesn't leave you with a huge amount of boats for fleets.
There's the cherub for smaller crews, I14 for larger crews and RS800 covers a large crew weight range but SMOD. FX and 49er have the pro skiff world sorted. 29er youths... The 900 might have taken some cherub sailors, but I doubt it as most are there for the development side as much as the size. So mostly they would just be splitting the 800 fleet.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 19 at 7:23am | |||
All this nonsence confirms that sailing will be removed from the Olympics in the medium term. 100 metres? turn up with trainers and shorts. Even cycling has a closely controlled choice of bikes. This discussion shows that moving back to club and class sailing is both the best choice and best for the future of race sailing.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 19 at 7:30am | |||
Olympic sailing, turn up with kit, Laser/Radial/Aero/whatever supplied. Sounds pretty damn simple to me.
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