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Originally posted by laser193713

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As for the comments about build, I am not sure of the source but the D-Zero is pretty robust for a light boat. There were some early production niggles but you get that and the builder sorted them and made tweaks to the production method to mitigate them.

The source I referred to was the World Sailing report which rated the quality relative to the other boats in the trials, the D-Zero being by far the lowest scoring on quality, which surprised me. How much worse than a Laser can it be!?

Yes and I am unsure as to where they (WS) got their info from as the boat has been pretty robust aside from a few early production niggles which were sorted by the builder as stated above.

I would guess they looked at issues vs total boats built so it may be a higher proportion as not as many of them have been built compared to the Laser and Aero.


Reading the report a bit more it seems it was more quality process related than actual durability related which makes a lot more sense.
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Such a tough call, on the one hand the Laser is better for developing markets, helps entry level via trickle down and builder issues aside is a known quantity. Whereas the Aero is everything I've been asking for, light, manageable, modern and of course British with a high tech enough manufacturer capable of gearing up, eventually there might be entry level affordable trickle down, there are a couple in our club already, plus the 9 gives the Finn sailors somewhere to go even though they may be moaning right now.

I'm glad it's not my decision, however for the purposes of this little poll I've sided with the Aero.

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I can't see the Aero fitting Finn sailors TBH, there's more to it than sticking a big rig on the boat.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I can't see the Aero fitting Finn sailors TBH, there's more to it than sticking a big rig on the boat.


As a Finn size (6'6") sailor I've got on surprisingly well with my Aero. I was initially reluctant to switch from a Phantom, but a few test sails in light and strong winds convinced me. Curiously I find it easier to sail the 7 to handicap than the 9....
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Probably not immediately but I think the types who would give sailing/racing a serious try will research a little and be more attracted to the high tech nature of the boat than the 'different virtues' of the Laser.

edit :- I've just read Mark Jardine's article (after I posted that last), pretty much my views too (but much more elegantly worded).

Why would anyone who wants a high tech forward looking boat buy something that is basically similar to a 1960s Shelley Moth, slower than an RS300 or '80s Magnum or an ancient International Canoe?

If high tech attracts new sailors, why is participation apparently dropping sharply at a time when the speed of the fastest dinghy class has pretty much doubled and the speed of the high-profile AC boats has tripled?

If high tech attracts people to water sports, why are slow low-tech pop-out kayaks and SUPs doing so well?

How many people who want to give sailing or any other sport a "serious try" spend the coin required to get an Aero instead of an old Laser, Solo, or whatever?

With respect to Mark, it's interesting that these days the people who write about sailing so often effectively say "hey, you people - go out and spend lots of money on new boats while I sail my old one". There is apparently a yawning gap between what writers and "authorities" do themselves and what they tell other people to do. When the sport was booming, the people who were guiding it actually put their money where there mouth is, which may have given them a better appreciation of the values of the typical sailor.


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With the Aero, the hi-tech is behind the scenes. The boat is as simple to sail as pretty much any single sail sitting out dinghy.

Hi-tech in a shouty way is certainly of limited appeal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 19 at 7:35am
I'd be amazed if a significant number of the Finn sailors went over to the Aero (if it gets in)

Despite the obvious helm weight differences, they are totally different - one is essentially a simple beach boat (not that there is anything wrong with that) that will be even more weight sensitive than a Laser (due to its light weight) and the other is highly technical and developed (each Finn and rig is slightly different)

The whole approach would be different - far more suited to the Laser sailors

Also the Aero 9 (men) would be far too powerful for some of the smaller guys and, similarly, the 7 will be way to powerful for the ladies. The 5.7m Radial was thought to be too powerful for lots of the ladies ?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 19 at 8:38am
I don't think it's about them buying an Aero so much as aspiring to one (or whatever) The Aero looks (and is) much more modern than the Laser. Your new cyclist doesn't usually go out and buy the latest, top of the range carbon TT bike but he definitely want's something that looks a bit like one.

The reason that sailors are not buying into high performance boats like Moth, Musto and 49er etc is simply that they are so damn difficult sail and require a huge investment in time to master. The Aero, D-Zero etc and straightforward boats that anybody can sail but use just enough high tech materials to give a feeling of being 21st century designs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ardea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 19 at 8:43am
There seems to be a lack of discussion on what is one of the most important points to me, which is ease of use.  I love a tinkerers boat, but am at a stage of life where leisure time is limited.  The positives of a simple to rig, sail & recover boat count for a lot.  The aero from that point of view seems to be a good improvement over the laser (lower weight and hoisting sail).  For grassroots, casuals and the time poor a boat which can be rigged and on the water in a really short amount of time should be a huge bonus.  The laser is not bad in this respect, but getting the rig in and away on a crowded concrete slip can be a huge pain.  Not that this this really matters when selecting the olympic class, but for all the other factors that people keep mentioning, it feels like something being overlooked.
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I await the normal RS action when they introduce the new model Aero+ with a price hike for the 2028 games
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