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    Posted: 26 Apr 19 at 4:39pm
Hi All

Just curious what you would recommend, I have a rs700 that I love sailing and will continue to race. I'm looking for a second boat that I can take my family out in. My Wife is a non sailor and my 4 year daughter would love to join me on quieter days. I sail on the Wash so looking for something with a reasonably shallow draft that's happy in chop.

I had a go in a laser 2000 and wasn't a fan, why is it so heavy???
l could never launch that on my own or pull it back up the beach. (soft shingle beach)

Is there a modern equivalent to the mirror? Ideally with a asymmetric Spinnaker that's made from grp or plastic.

I'm not looking for anything new or shinny would prefer something that I can take out in a storm when it's too windy for the rs700.

Ideally I want to spend less than £1000, I'm not looking to race so it's purely a fun family boat.

I looked at the Weta which ticks most the boxes but they are still so expensive. I wondered about a hobbie beach cat but wasn't sure how stable they are..

Thanks in advance


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If it was me, I'd have a Miracle every time, they are so underrated and overlooked.

Pretty light, plane in breeze, sym. kite, centreboard, carry weight alright for their size.

I have a mate who's dyed in the wool 505 and he has one as a second boat, loves it.
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Even a Miracle would be difficult to pull over soft sand on your own, can;t think of a single 2 hander that would be easy.
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Always begs the question of where. And what else is sailed at your club
If you sail a 700 your level of fitness should make light of a 2k over a beech with good wheels.
Most of the utility boats you would be considering to fit another adult and a child in are on the heavy side.
Similar demographic owners at your club will already have looked at the options.
I have to say I was equally dismissive of the 2k until I got one. Because there were lots at my club. I think they are great family boats now.
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The miracle looks interesting, are all the frp boats expensive?
There is a nice one on apollo but its £5k. Is it only the new boats that have a Spinnaker?

Pulling a laser 2000 with 2 strong adults wasn't easy.
Especially when your wet cold and been sailing hard for 2 hours, I'm use to sitting in a comfortable trapeze harness.

I still don't understand why the Hull weighs 160kg on a laser 2k,
When a plywood miracle weights 59kg its only 70cm shorter.
I just didn't love it when sailing it.

Just spotted a 505 that's a bargain, shame my daughter is a bit heavier and strong enough to help pull it up the beach.

How cozy would a rs feva be 3 up? I imagine it would be great with just myself and daughter.

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Originally posted by andymck

Always begs the question of where. And what else is sailed at your club
If you sail a 700 your level of fitness should make light of a 2k over a beech with good wheels.
Most of the utility boats you would be considering to fit another adult and a child in are on the heavy side.
Similar demographic owners at your club will already have looked at the options.
I have to say I was equally dismissive of the 2k until I got one. Because there were lots at my club. I think they are great family boats now.


There are alot of laser 2ks at my club, also darts and a few of us with rs700.. I'm not interested in racing though.
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I only know of far from new wooden Miracles and they all have kites, only been in one a couple of times and they felt very light and nimble, so that said an entertaining boat to me.
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What are peoples thoughts of the laser 3000?
I had a laser 5000 a long time ago that was great fun, but needed a competent crew.

Has anyone sailed the laser 3000 just on the main?

How does it compare to the laser 2000? 


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Chalk n cheese.

Someone I know sails a V3000 (newer slightly lighter 3000 assy kite) solo from the wire for a laugh.
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I was going to suggest an L3K,think they're great boats, even better a V3000 but doubt you'd get one at that money, but L3ks can come sub 1500.
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