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Just looks like a power battle between the class and the builder. 

Whilst they fight RS are flogging loads or Aeros. 
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At a district association AGM this weekend a member of ILCA's committee alleged that LPE was the cause of the long delays in the introduction of changes intended to make the gear last longer, like the big rig radial sail and the carbon topmast. This has long been a complain from similar quarters.

While personal feelings against LPE's owner can be seen, this appears to have been more than a power struggle per se,
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 19 at 8:42am
Either way it would be much better if they could all work together in the mutual interests of the class ...
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The 'Laser' saga (and yes it really does 'keep on giving' etc) has all the features to become a standard case study for students of the future !

Can't really but encourage  those eyeing its ‘special’ market position .... like RS.   But then they and their imitators should perhaps be wary of Olympic selection ... it is not always associated with  commercial success !  I still expect the Laser to be retained though .. with maybe some enforceable supply caveats for a cycle or two yet.  Ultimately it does not really matter which boat is selected – none of them will get the public to suddenly follow the racing on TV any more than the current Laser...  Sailing in small single-hander dinghies of this broad type  is always going to remain primarily a participant sport.  



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Originally posted by Old Timer

Just looks like a power battle between the class and the builder. 

Whilst they fight RS are flogging loads or Aeros. 

Still nowhere near as many Lasers get sold worldwide though.
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5 Aeros a week !
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Tucked in at the end of this page

https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/215866/Oh-Yeah-Giddy-Up

"Little boats now, and seeing as the contenders for the Olympic Singlehander have been having their evaluations in Spain of late, I could not help but notice this latest furore over the Laser. Naturally, you would think that this is not a good time for one of the builders to have their licence revoked, given that a lot of the criteria around the choice will involve Anti-Trust issues.

In talking with an expert who has followed the Olympics, and their classes, for over 20 years it seems that is not a new thing, but the result of an ILCA inspector being turned away from Laser Performance (LPE) quite some time ago, and that LPE was warned as far back as 12 months ago. It is further alleged that LPE principal, Fazhad Rastegar, has written stating that the Police would be called if said inspectors turned up at the factory again. As inspection forms part of the terms of agreement to build, the outcome seems sort of obvious."


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This has been posted on SA. I haven't been able to find it on any Laser Performance web site, and so I have no idea whether its genuine or an elaborate spoof.

LASERPERFORMANCE RESPONSE TO ILCA
STATEMENT OF 27 MARCH 2019 2 April 2019

LASERPERFORMANCE (“LP”) finds the recent events deplorable as well as potentially catastrophic for the Laser sailors and the class organization as configured today. It is important to know the background to the current dispute.

The falsehoods and misrepresentations contained in the official ILCA announcement are disturbing since they reflect on the class organization and bear on the credibility of governance of the class.

LP makes the following statements and responds to ILCA’s misleading statements:

LP has granted ILCA certain rights to use the Laser Trademark for its activities pursuant to an intellectual property license dated February 1998 (the “1998 Agreement”).

LP has been seeking a renewal of the 1998 Agreement which expires after multiple extensions on 31 August 2019.

ILCA has steadfastly refused to enter into a renewal agreement of like substance and has refused to have any meetings with LP on the matter.

LP refused to have ILCA undertake an inspection of LP’s facilities five months before expiry of 1998 Agreement and after three years of ILCA refusing to renew its license under the 1998 Agreement.

LP does not and has not refused inspection of its manufacturing facility or its products by other legitimate regulatory bodies. Indeed, LP has formally requested World Sailing to inspect LP’s facility given that they are the ultimate authority for compliance and the issuance of the boats’ plaques.

ILCA has not shared any of this with the sailors nor have they proposed how it would operate without a valid license from LP after August 2019.

ILCA is not legally able to seek new manufacturers for Laser products in LP territory without LP’s consent. LP territory covers the world excluding Australia, New Zealand (PSA) and Japan, Korea (PSJ). This is a simple matter of ownership of intellectual property and LP will enforce against any party who attempts to violate LP’s intellectual property rights.

ILCA can indeed appoint new builders in Performance Sailcraft Australia (PSA) and Performance Sailcraft Japan (PSJ) limited territory; however, neither of them can supply boats into LP territory without LP’s consent.

PSA has tried in the past to import illegally into LP territory by a variety of schemes. LP has successfully enforced its property rights against PSA and will continue to enforce its rights against PSA and any collaborating dealers or persons. The last of such legal action was in Belgium and it was adjudicated in favor of LP with the dealer involved filing for bankruptcy to avoid payment of award pursuant to the court judgment.

PSA is unable to supply LP’s output even if they could legally sell into LP territories. Indeed, the last time PSA agreed to support a class event – also a World event – was the Youth Worlds 2016 in New Zealand with 105 boats which ended up in PSA withdrawing its support three months before the event.

PSA’s withdrawal meant cancellation of the event except for WS reaching out to LP to step in both to save the event and to prevent the adverse effects a major cancellation impacting the Olympics standing of Laser.

The 2024 Olympic is in Paris, France – an LP territory and LP can be the only authorized supplier of Laser boats at such event.

ILCA decertifying the most established and the original manufacturer of Laser sailboats will not end the supply of LP Lasers to our markets. However, it will signal to the Olympic authorities that the most popular Olympic sailing event has poor governance and leadership, leading to unpredictable supply.

LP, in partnership with its outstanding dealership network, has consistently shown that it is the only supplier that can consistently provide support to events and sailors at a global level.

LP proposes the following to prevent the implosion of the Laser class organization:

A. ILCA sign the renewal agreement to the 1998 Agreement in order to continue to use the granted trademark rights.
B. ILCA move back to Europe where 75% of Laser sailors live and sail.
C. ILCA appoint a professional executive team to run the class operations paid for by increased plaque fees charged to the builders.

LASERPERFORMANCE
2 April 2019
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Originally posted by 423zero

5 Aeros a week !

Compared to 31 Lasers a week. Great going, but although Laser sales have dropped from about 5000 to less than 2000 over the last few years, the Laser is still out-selling the Aero very comfortably. The 420, incidentally, is selling 6 a week.

It's also interesting to wonder how sales of new classes will hold up long term. The 100 seems to have been selling at over two per week for some time, then dropped to 1 per week within four years of launch. The Feva has only dropped from 600 to 500 - good going. The Tera (which like the Feva and Aero seems like a very nice boat) has dropped its annual sales by 50% in a few years. 

I'm not taking potshots at Aeros, merely wondering how long initial sales hold up in new sailing classes.  My other main class sold 15 a week last year, with about six a week in Australia alone. It's a re-launch, so whether it will gain steam or slow down as demand is satisfied remains unknown. I'm not at all sure that my class will keep on selling at the same rate, although it may maintain or increase it.  The same surely applies to the Aero.




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Originally posted by JimC

This has been posted on SA. I haven't been able to find it on any Laser Performance web site, and so I have no idea whether its genuine or an elaborate spoof.


Its on their official Facebook page so is likely legit (https://www.facebook.com/LaserPerformanceSailboats/posts/10157089001558426)
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