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LP can, and are, continuing to sell Lasers.

But they cannot sell International Lasers.
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Originally posted by A2Z

LP can, and are, continuing to sell Lasers.

But they cannot sell International Lasers.

Very true. At least until they form a class association and get international status. What a mess!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 19 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by A2Z

LP can, and are, continuing to sell Lasers.

But they cannot sell International Lasers.

And by the same token PSA/PSJ cannnot sell an international 'Laser' in Europe/North America (or any other territory where they do not have an agreement to use the TM. I believe even doing a private import of a new boat is jumped on by LP/the TM holder as well. There was a dutch dealer who was doing this, LP found out and they folded before it got to court.

PSA tried importing containers of 'lightly used' Lasers a few years back as well, that also got jumped on to the TM holder was protecting their rights.

Its just a right mess, caused by the class losing control of the TM back in the early days.

How this will play out is anyones guess but I know there are going to be a fair few lawyers getting a Christmas bonus over it.

This is why ILCA are seeking to create a new TM they can use and have control of and license to builders as they see fit. They are damned whatever they do though.

As for LP, dont they already have 'LaserPerformanceUntied' as their own defacto CA which they would need to go through the relevant steps to get affiliated with WS and so forth.
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I'm not sure the class ever owned the trademark. As I understood (if I did) the mesh of contracts when I looked into it a few years ago owning the trademark was the builder's chief protection of their investment. They could invest money in class promotion etc knowing that they couldn't get arbitarily chucked. Other aspects of the contracts were intended to ensure that if a builder did walk away they had to leave the Laser building game completely, but all that has disappeared into US legal hell. Also some of the protections in that disappeared when ILCA changed the fundamental rule to no longer require a builder to be licensed by Kirby.
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Originally posted by JimC

I'm not sure the class ever owned the trademark. As I understood (if I did) the mesh of contracts when I looked into it a few years ago owning the trademark was the builder's chief protection of their investment. They could invest money in class promotion etc knowing that they couldn't get arbitarily chucked. Other aspects of the contracts were intended to ensure that if a builder did walk away they had to leave the Laser building game completely, but all that has disappeared into US legal hell. Also some of the protections in that disappeared when ILCA changed the fundamental rule to no longer require a builder to be licensed by Kirby.

Quite possibly. does make you wonder what Kirby was actually selling when he sold his rights to Global Sailing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote A2Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 19 at 3:16pm
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Hey CT249, the Italian Laser class association are being abusive to the volunteers at ILCA...


Now the Spanish have also written asking for ILCA execs to resign if they have broken constitution rule 17.
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There's nothing wrong with the associations referring to facts that are not in dispute and calling for ILCA's council to resign because of alleged breaches of the class constitution. That is very, very different from relying on one side's allegations to state as a fact that ILCA has been engaged in conduct that could well be criminal.


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