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Topic: Solo Opinions? Posted: 26 Feb 19 at 6:47pm |
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Two 10 year old boats got good results at the Solo winters last weekend.
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Fatboi
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 9:28am | ||
Judging by the results at the Nationals last year it can...! If it was 5% slower on performance, no way you could come 11th in that fleet! Photo of the boat and sail combo here, green boat on the right. https://haylingisc.smugmug.com/Championships/2018/Solo-Nationals/i-ZZCr94g/A https://haylingisc.smugmug.com/Championships/2018/Solo-Nationals/i-zZRKWRV/A |
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Neptune
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 9:58am | ||
If you get good starts and are a quality helm, then in a fleet of that size you could overcome 5% performance differential
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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 10:52am | ||
Some clarifications and observations
The 5% came from the data used for our personal handicapping system. All results are converted to % of winners corrected time. So the number includes not only any difference in boat speed, but also consequences of slower boatspeed ie dirty air, more traffic at mark roundings etc. The spread of finish times in a large fleet usually approaches 25% of winners time. It would be interesting to see times and work out how much 5% time results in place changes in different parts of the fleet. Well built epoxy/foam sandwich boats seem to have a very long competitive lifespan. Something I must do is to figure out which classes have had wholesale moves to foam sandwich without major design changes and compare PY numbers before and after the change. One naturally thinks of Merlins and Phantoms, but there will be others. Edited by JimC - 27 Feb 19 at 11:24am |
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Fatboi
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 10:55am | ||
I disagree with that in a fleet of 100 boats! Even if you get off the front row, you will struggle to hold your lane and get bounced around.
If everyone is doing 5kts around the course, you will be doing 4.75kts, which on a championship sized reach will result in getting rolled by at least couple of boats. You would have to be exceptional to get top 10 results in this fleet if you were 5% slower out the box... I dont think it is possible. |
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rich96
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 1:41pm | ||
Agreed
You may survive with 1 or 2% less boatspeed but losing 5m every 100m … - youd be lucky to finish on the same leg |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 19 at 6:02pm | ||
I would guess it would work on where that 5% is (not that I ever quoted 5%, I just said the guy in the composite couldnt keep up with the newer FRP boats). Unlikely to be upwind where waterline speed would be king. On the offwind legs though that would be where I would expect to see the biggest difference especially on the small puddle I sail on.
We had a chap in a Thresher built wooden Solo. It had been well looked after and was the right shape (I seem to recall the Boon Solo was moulded from a Thresher hull). He was always up there in it and is not appreciably quicker in his new boat. |
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Paul
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 19 at 6:37am | ||
My Miles beats modern frp boats consistently and looks 500% better. When Taxi comes to Blithfield for a pre event tune up, strangely the positions are hugely changed!.
If you have somewhere to store a double floor wooden boat during the hard frosts, then saving £3k+ against a " white boat" is the sensible choice. |
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ColPrice2002
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 19 at 7:17am | ||
On Sunday it was pretty obvious that my wooden Boon was as fast upwind as the frp ones - in spite of towing weed on my rudder, we kept crossing tacks.
Offline, a newish Winder 1 stomped away from the rest of us - it was gusty any being inland catching the right gust is crucial... The key to good performance - apart from host & sail condition - seems to be the helm's choice of position, both for heel and trim. Upwind, sit forward and allow a little heel to allow the hull shape to help the boat upwind... |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 19 at 4:08pm | ||
Not the easiest of boats to sit as far forward as you need to be when it's light I found. That quite honestly waste of space traveller thing makes it awkward as does all the other gubbins and clutter. I was forced to choose by SWMBO, it was felt six boats in two clubs was over the top so Solution or Solo became bit of a no brainer really even though I did enjoy some moments of sailing it and of course like hitting your head on a brick wall it was great when it was over.
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