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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 19 at 1:53pm
Obviously sailing on a small lake where you'll blow ashore in 10 mins or is is a different proposition to sailing on open water (or a huge lake). Windsurfers have historically, looked after themselves much of the time and only a very few join clubs of any kind (usually for access to a local pond).

Cruising sailors (in dinghies and keelboats) are also expected to be self sufficient, it's only the racing guys who consider safety cover a near essential. The only real difference is that racers will sail what a crushing sailor may consider unsuitable boats in unsuitable conditions and will push harder thus being more likely to have a breakage.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Unfortunately after finding the CASC thing it appears theirs nothing you can do.
Another section of CASC states you cannot refuse membership to someone who can't afford fees, you have to accept what they are prepared to pay.

Really; how is a club supposed to asses how much an individual can afford?

I can't see them doing a full personal financial review.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 19 at 2:13pm
you.gov says :- "

Membership fees

CASCs canít charge more than £31 a week for membership, and clubs that charge more than £10 a week must provide help (eg a discount) for people who canít pay.

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The £10 a week is not just a membership fee but all costs associated with participation. So if you have to pay weekly subs or personally provide essential equipment this counts towards it. For example if boat ownership were a requirement of club membership (unlikely) or the club rules stipulate wetsuits and buoyancy aids must be worn the cost of these would count towards the tenner a week. If that puts participation over a tenner the CASC probably ought to have gear it can lend to members.
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RE duties, at my club doing 2 duties is a condition of membership (not sure if we are still CASC or not). Anyone who fails to show without good reason gets a friendly chat from the duty officer. It doesnt happen that often and there is usually a good reason for it. We do have automated email reminders and the like that go out.

For the winter series events doing a duty is part of the qualification criteria for the series. If you dont do a duty you get a large scoring penalty and get spoken to by the duty officer if you are not doing your fair share. A duty in the winter is either a morning or an afternoon (so 1 race) and extra races get a reward of average series points.

Reading about the CASC regs here all it says is you cannot refuse membership to someone who doesn't do volunteer so not sure what could be done if someone outright refuses. I would imagine they are unlikely to be made welcome though if people feel they are taking the mickey.
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At one of my clubs we have a £60 Duty Levy. 
Every duty that you undertake rewards you by £15 per half day. Though you can, really, only volunteer for a whole day - £30 back.
However, the only limit to what you can earn back is "No more than your club fees, including boat berths" ...so, if you did 10 full-day duties, you'd earn yourself £300 :-)

I, generally, do 4 days a year. It's no great shakes to manage that to be honest and I earn £120 for next seasons fees.


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So a typical CASC sailing club can charge £520pa without needing to make any "affordability" arrangements. Minus perhaps the cost of a BA once every few years if they are compulsory. That's not very limiting for most volunteer run dinghy clubs.
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That's per person, I assume, so family membership would be far higher to be an issue. Maybe posh yacht clubs might get there, but they are likely not CASC.
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Competancy is a bit of an issue.. Last season highlighted it for me, I always assume folk know what they're about and I had a bit of a wake up call early last season. So it's all very well getting volunteers, but sea capable, especially if there's a bit of a sea running, so we turned it around by running some half decent power/safety boat courses. So it can be a bit of a break from the mundane, rescue boat duty, but given some of the incidents include removing Hornets who want to park on the rocks, to towing in becalmed boats against the tide, so we can call on none racers from other club members, but it involves probably a higher level of training than you might have to give for inland water. Especially when even the allegedly highly trained inshore rescue mob often come to grief. As to getting volunteers that do know how to do it, to actually step up, extreme ironic abuse is often levelled at the fairweather types, there isn't really any other way, if you offered a buyout we'd have no-one.
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