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423zero
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Topic: So.. Laserati, shall we talk C5? Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 9:43pm |
Assuming they want carbon masts.
Small designers and builders couldn't get their products to market without the help of their customers, H2 for instance, without purchasers driving their new class forward it would crash and burn, or would you just prefer the likes of RS and Laser, Topper etc to build and market there latest offerings ?
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 9:25pm |
But kiteboarders support a market structure with at least three margins, thus supporting shops and schools. Dimwits get their stuff vertically so support no market structure and are expected to do their own marketing to further the profitability of their suppliers and teach newcomers whilst paying exorbitantly for the privilege. I'm not suggesting using stock carbon tube, I'm suggesting the dimwits get together to put pressure on their suppliers using the carbon tube example as leverage in pricing discussions Oh and it's 1200 quid for the top end kiteboard but that's Cartan Carbon (look it up) there are carbon boards available for £699 and leven less carbon for as little as £499. Edited by iGRF - 06 Jan 19 at 9:29pm |
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sargesail
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And then there is the Winner Optimist with its no polish, ribletted gelcoat.....effective at 12-14 knots. Cos an Opi goes that fast a lot |
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 8:00pm |
You reckon carbon masts are exxy - some crims are ripping off poor kiteboarders so badly that they charge over 1100 quid for a kiteboard, and all they are is just a plank.
Sure, there might be some pseudo-scientific BS about how they are made of "military grade carbon fibre" and some silly claims about their bend characteristics, but it's obvious that they could be popped out for 10 quid like a Boogie board. All the kiteboarders need is someone to use their noddle to work out how it can be done better and more cost effectively.
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zeon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 6:56pm |
In the class I sail , two of the builders have tried making masts from proprietary tubes. Both turned out to be too soft( so were slow) and one of them turned out to be fragile too. It’s not as easy as getting a tube and calling it a mast.
Cirrus on the other hand produced a good carbon mast for his boat using and old blasé mast when he flirted with the British moth class a couple of years ago .
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 5:37pm |
Not a lot, I'd venture to suggest. Except two or three hundred quid more because it's being sold to dinghy dimwits. So literally do us all a favour then and set up in production or distribution. You think the market opportunity is just waiting out there so what exactly is stopping you doing it ? The dinghy dimwits will surely be tripping over each other to shovel money into your hands .... They must be a rather thick lot when not a single one has seen the same opportunity. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 5:22pm |
Just because you can spend two and a half grand on a carbon tube because a lame bunch of rules/regs/previous users pseudo scientific BS suggests it's what you need, doesn't mean you should. What you should do is use your noddle to work out how it can be done better and or more cost effectively. Let's look at booms, I've still got that Selden carbon tube with a couple of bits added to it that cost Christ knows how much, what's the difference between it and a stock off the shelf tube from one of these commercial suppliers? Not a lot, I'd venture to suggest. Except two or three hundred quid more because it's being sold to dinghy dimwits.
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Daniel Holman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 1:22pm |
You can spend £2500 with selden on a bare joined tube for i14. With track maybe. 7.5m long weighs 5kg or so. HM fibres which makes a big difference, but a tube is not just a tube. Similarly a tube is not a turn key mast.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 1:17pm |
It is precisely because I have entered a class that uses carbon and when I discovered just how much of what I paid went towards that carbon mast which was over two grand for what is a very basic product made by probably the poorest company, Superspars I realised just how much I've been ripped off - violated in fact. This Boat is my greatest enjoyment to date, something I'd love to see other folk share, but at this price I couldn't bring myself to even recommend it. Now it's rig dimensions are not very different to the Solution, which in turn isn't that great a difference from a Solo i.e they support a sail of around 8.5 sq mrs in fact many dinghy operate around that 8.5-9.0 mtr sail area requirement which can be perfectly supported by a 6 mtr mast. So why are they so stupidly expensive when a commercial company can profit by making carbon tubes 60 dia and 6.00 long for £350 here in the UK, not even offshore. When I saw you once, you were trialling a white carbon tube you'd sourced from somewhere, I bet that didn't price in anywhere near two grand. Edited by iGRF - 06 Jan 19 at 1:19pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 19 at 12:34pm |
I have a carbon fibre guitar
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