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    Posted: 17 Dec 18 at 9:49pm
Hi all

My first post here - ďheyĒ !

Iím 34, a shade under 14st but targeting 13st at present.
Iíve sailed for about 20 years now - everything from Toppers, Mirrors, Wayferers, Laser 1 / Laser 2 and more recently some Hobie 14ís. I must stress - this has all been non-competitive and just some fun blasting around either our local lake or whatever the holiday resort has on offer!

Iím wanting to commit more to sailing and develop upon my aged Level 2 Sail qualification and get into racing / open events. Iíve sailed for the last 6 years on Charter boats in the Ionian (yachts) as well as owning (now sold) my own pilothouse fishing boat in the North East. Iím not scared of trying something totally new but also grasp concepts very quickly.

My dilemma: I have no-one to sail with and itís really causing conflict of which route to go.
I always wanted an RS200 but feel my weight and aspirations now better leads me to the door of an RS400. But being a lone sailor - Iíll be massively over powered?

Are there serious fun alternatives suitable for single / double handed sailing? I want to only buy once in the next 3 years - so not wanting to get something smaller (Feva?) and work up. Are there people out there wanting to crew? Are clubs generally full of crews already or would a single guy with a multi-crew boat be welcome?

I donít want to compromise if possible on fun just because Iím a loner at present. Iíd rather take a gamble and gel with someone and have superb fun rather than sit in a smaller boat ďdreaming bigĒ!! :)

Thoughts and advice super appreciated! Iím based in Yorkshire (not far from Beaver SC in Snaith) but also been looking at YDSC.

Thanks in advance!
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OK ,the partisan answer, buy a Blaze and sail it at Yorkshire Dales. But, more sensible answer, pick your club first and see what they sail, see if anybody might want to share a 400 (or WHY) or see of you can get a sail in a few single handers that they sail. FWIW single hander helms are a friendly bunch on and off the water.
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You cant sail a 2 man boat on your own if you want to race or go to opens

If you want an asymmetric single hander try an RS 100 or a Vareo

If you aren't bothered about a spinnaker there are huge numbers of boats that would be fine at your size:

Laser, Solo, Aero, D Zero, Phantom, OK, Finn, Supernova, etc etc etc

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Good advice from Sam. There is a very varied fleet at YDSC and many single handers that will fit the bill (I wouldnt go for a 200 or a 400, you definitely need a crew if you are going to race). I would pop along to each club. If you ask nicely they will probably even let you have a go so you can get a feel before you buy in.
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In short: I'd recommend joining a club first. 

Long version:
Likely a club will have 'club' boats you can use (single and double-handers) or you can start by sailing with other people in their boats. If you're only looking to buy once this will allow you to make a much more informed decision. Or, you may find you really like crewing, and never have to pay to own a boat at all!

It's great to hear you're looking to do some racing. It really adds another dimension to sailing and you'll improve your skills much faster than cruising alone. However, racing you're more likely to choose a boat based upon; 
- local fleets to race against, 
- your racing weight and the availability of a complimentary crew (ability and size)
- whether you like the people who race them. 
Again this makes it more important to investigate local clubs and meet the people before making a purchase. 

There are some boats which are raced competitively which are also forgiving enough to be sailed solo or two up. I wouldn't really put the RS200 or RS400 in that category though. The Feva isn't a bad idea, but you are going to be very big for it as soon as you have another person, plus it's more of a junior trainer type boat, so I can't see you wanting to stay in it for three years.  

The more racier boats are less forgiving with crew numbers, so the best boats are dual design for training and a bit of racing. My family had a GP14, Laser 2000 (now RS), Gull and Mirror which all fit this bill. Gull and Mirror were better if your potential crew is likely to be a child or you spend most of your time solo. GP14 and 2000 are better if your likely crew is an adult or you spend more time sailing 2-up. A word of warning here, boats that are forgiving on crew weight achieve this stability by being heavy themselves. Pulling some of these heavier boats up a steep slipway, shingle/sandy beach alone is quite a chore. 

However, if those boats (or similar) don't have fleets at your preferred club, then you may reconsider. You'll still be able to get handicap racing and people will still be really welcoming and helpful. But unless there are people there familiar with the boat you have then it's a barrier to getting knowledgeable help from your fellow members. And that really should be one of the big selling points of joining a club. 

Hope you get on well and let us know how you do



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Check out Clubs YDSC is really lively and been growing steadily for a few years now since a major refurb. 
Don't be in a rush to buy a boat and certainly not one designed for two people, nothing worse than sitting ashore with a boat and no crew / helm.
Your size is in the window to crew a reasonably powerful boat and more often than not a keen crew will quickly find a ride. I often think crews have more fun, especially in single wire two person boats, best view in the house with no hiking, what's not to like?
You could always get a singlehander and make it known you're available to crew, best of both worlds.
I think there's also a few Contenders at YDSC, might be a leap of faith but they are a pretty kindly if you treat them with a little respect.  
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Totally agree with whats been said and only wanted to add some clubs also have boats you can hire so might get a chance to try before you buy a class of boat.
good luck and enjoy whatever you choose to go with
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All great posts everyone - thank you!
Iím heading to YDSC on the 27th to meet some members and hopefully get more familiar with the operation there, the groups of owners and what they get up to. Finding the right club and the opportunities are ultimately what this is all about :) I must admit I do like the idea of a single-hander and then crewing for people who are on the look out. Part of the nervousness here is that Iíve never been out on a wire and subsequently will need to consider this progressive / development rather than jumping in as a pro!!

So then Iím back to the 100 / full rig Laser / RS Aero / Laser Vago (?). All useful knowledge though being received - so thank you!
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Yorkshire Dales have, at last count, 4 Blazes. It's definitely worth a go in one. Grimworth is a big sailing area with, relatively at least, steady winds compared to most lakes so would suit the Blaze and the RS100.
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Originally posted by The_Pilot

All great posts everyone - thank you!
Iím heading to YDSC on the 27th to meet some members and hopefully get more familiar with the operation there, the groups of owners and what they get up to. Finding the right club and the opportunities are ultimately what this is all about :) I must admit I do like the idea of a single-hander and then crewing for people who are on the look out. Part of the nervousness here is that Iíve never been out on a wire and subsequently will need to consider this progressive / development rather than jumping in as a pro!!

So then Iím back to the 100 / full rig Laser / RS Aero / Laser Vago (?). All useful knowledge though being received - so thank you!

If you are considering an Aero then do give a D-Zero a try, there is one at YDSC and the guy who owns it is a good chap.

27th will be very busy too, there are 4 or 5 D-Zero people heading up for the event.
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