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    Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 8:30am

I am wanting to start dinghy cruising after 40 years of racing. I want to go solo and camp on board occasionally. A light, easy to handle ashore boat is critical as I believe it will get much more use. I am moving from Co Durham to near the south coast so I see lots of trailer day sailing in new locations. 


I have researched extensively and think the Gull mark 1, 2 or 3 fits the bill. The more modern ones have been messed about with and camping on board may be hard. I considered a Mirror but find it physically cramped for my size. There are many bigger boats Wanderer etc but they start to get heavy.


People have used Enterprises with cut down sails very successfully and have looked at them but wanted to avoid buoyancy bags and not seen a GRP one that appealed until this weekend.



 I am particularly drawn to this design as it looks nice and simple and doesn’t appear to have any plywood. On this forum I have read above leaks in the tank to sole joint but feel happy to repair that if it develops.


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  1. what is the name of this model / manufacturer 
  2. when where they built 
  3. are they all GRP or is there some hidden plywood - have seen GRP Enterprises with a plywood forward, I presume this doesn’t have this sort of construction 
  4. any issues with this type of enterprise 
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Jack Holt or Moores of Wroxham. Both built GRP E's in the 60's and 70's. Number 20,000 was approx. 1979/80, so any lower number is before that.
These were GRP boats, NOT FRP (which are much stronger and stiffer). These were boats designed to be built in plywood - large flat panels which are about the worse thing possible for GRP strength.
When you put the jib up, the centreboard slot will be squeezed together and you cant get the board up and down.
The sides will be flexible enough for you to feel them move when you push with your hand. Flexible sides and bottom panels mean that all the joints have to leak at some point! The buoyancy tanks will hold the boat up capsized or after filling for about 5 mins max, and after that they will become water filled and dangerous.
There is a reason why you don't see these around very much!
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From the look of the jib tracks, I think that's an early Jack Holt, not a Moores boat.
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where jib track bolts and shroud goes through there is a strip of wood under joint between rolled edge of topside and hull, easy to see, just look underneath, this wood rots and shroud pulls through taking a chunk of topside with it, so check the wood.
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Have you tried ‘camping’ in an ent ?

I’d have thought you’d need something wayfarer size to camp sensibly ?

Ent not that stable either

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 4:44pm
Thanks Chris J. I had read about the centre board issue but your explanation of the cause is very good. Think I’ll hold out until a good Gull is available.
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I suspect the OP won't be too worried by the relative instability of the Ent as he has an Int Canoe in his past  Big smile
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Bit worried how Sam Spoons knows about the IC

Rich96, no I haven’t camped on an Ent, people have using a smaller rig. The Ent was actually designed with two sets of sails one smaller for cruising. People camp on Mirrors, I am very much in the camp - the smaller the boat the more it gets used.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dangerousday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 5:39pm
Browsing, as you do, theres a Laser 13 in the'dinghies and bits for sale' FB group. Furling jib, reefing main. No idea what it would be like to camp in though
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Based on Chris J’s post I did a bit more digging and found this which is interesting if you skip the FRP nonsense 


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