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    Posted: 12 Oct 18 at 9:21am
But they are not bad boats, they are just unsuitable boats. Nobody is suggesting you send a novice out in a foiling Moth and expect them to sail it.

TBH take a young novice out in an Ent on a F2 day and they'll see sailing as boring, put your wife in the same boat in F6 and she'll decide it's too scary. Common sense is required people. But it's not the boat that puts them off.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

You get a novice in a tippy boat in the first few goes and I bet you it will put them off completely, unless they are thrill seeker types who like a roller coaster or two

Yes teaching my newly married wife to sail in a Laser4000 was in fact a really dumb idea. And now I sail a singlehander.
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You get a novice in a tippy boat in the first few goes and I bet you it will put them off completely, unless they are thrill seeker types who like a roller coaster or two
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This it right to a point, but, there are very few truly bad boats, especially from a total novices POV. They are far more likely to be put off by the people or the environment.
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Originally posted by RossV

As Mozzy said above...
I just think most development classes have gone beyond the point where the option of 'build your own' is an incentive to those outside the class, or even more so from outside sailing. It's not like a 1970s Mirror or GP14 where the everyday person looks at it and thinks, "yeah, i could make one of those in the shed".


So what design of boat can be brought to market that will give more non-sailors a desire to join sailing clubs and give the sport a boost?

Probably nothing, I think it is the idea that needs to be sold not the boat, however the boat can certainly put them off once they attend.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Biggest single issue for dinghy sailing in UK is non sailors perception that sailing is expensive and participants are snooty.
Good point, the father of one young man who came to my club to participate in the boatbuilding programme I run told me, "I had no idea that sailing could be cheaper than a season ticket to the footy!"
The whole family is now interested in the sport. The next task, to get them participating, along with their son, in the boat he built.
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Biggest single issue for dinghy sailing in UK is non sailors perception that sailing is expensive and participants are snooty.
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Originally posted by mozzy

  Younger generations are much less likely to have a garage to build something in, but they're much more likely to have access to decent computing power. 

Half the problem is that the technology we're using to make boats can't be replicated in peoples garages, but also that most young people don't have garages or time to spend in them. 


One possible solution right there Mozzy, why the need to get wet in the first instance when introducing someone to sailing? Why go through the expense of purchasing a boat or indeed time building one? The next generation are more likely to be able to program better VR games and learn to sail and race virtually. Question is will they? Maybe, depends on the challenge:reward presented.  Then we may see actual uptake in the real world.  Wonder what the stats are from the likes of the VVOR of sailors:non-sailor and what the take up is of those non-sailors into the sport?
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Originally posted by RossV

As Mozzy said above...
I just think most development classes have gone beyond the point where the option of 'build your own' is an incentive to those outside the class, or even more so from outside sailing. It's not like a 1970s Mirror or GP14 where the everyday person looks at it and thinks, "yeah, i could make one of those in the shed".


So what design of boat can be brought to market that will give more non-sailors a desire to join sailing clubs and give the sport a boost?

Well, going back to 3d printing... Flow modelling software and CAD are more likely to be skills the younger generation can utilise than the basic woodwork of the post war era. Younger generations are much less likely to have a garage to build something in, but they're much more likely to have access to decent computing power. 

Half the problem is that the technology we're using to make boats can't be replicated in peoples garages, but also that most young people don't have garages or time to spend in them. 

Until people feel they can really engage themselves in a design and construction race, then I think SMODs have a very important place in the sport. 
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I honestly don't think new classes will make much difference to people joining the sport. Yeah, one can dream about the boat made out of unobtanium that will cost half of what current boats do, be stiffer and nicer to sail that the most sophisticated epoxy/carbon build, and as capable as any current boat both as a singlehander and racing with a crew of three, but its not going to happen any time soon...
To my mind the big challenge for sailing popularity is the dilettante/bucket list mentality which militates against any sport you have to put serious effort in to get much fun out of, but there's nothing we can do about that. Times will change sooner or later anyway.
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