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    Posted: 13 Jul 18 at 9:22am
Interesting reading the Merlins recent report on the front page and noting that numerous leading crews were not wearing bouyancy aids. Now I'm not a health and safety killjoy by any means but normally the wearing of buoyancy aids is mandated in the SI's so should these crews have been binned?

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They should have been binned, setting a bad example to kids, looks arrogant too.
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Buoyancy aids are a hindrance and should be left to the discretion of the crew, more important should be helmets. It's ludicrous the current situation, crew (including helm) should wear full impact vests and helmets if they're in high performance stuff, buoyancy aids as currently manufactured provide next to no protection, hinder escape from confined situations particularly if down and out is the escape route and without helmets there is no protection against concussion which for sure is a risk as the speeds particularly foiling speeds increase.
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In the SI it states:

17.1 The wearing of adequate personal buoyancy by all competitors at all times while afloat is strongly recommended. Wet suits and dry suits are not adequate personal buoyancy.
17.2 All competitors under the age of 18 years must wear adequate personal buoyancy at all times whilst afloat. (This amends RRS 40)

So just "strongly recommended"; but it's still stricter that RRS 40:

40 PERSONAL FLOTATION DEVICES
When flag Y is displayed with one sound before or with the warning signal, competitors shall wear personal flotation devices, except briefly while changing or adjusting clothing or personal equipment. When flag Y is displayed ashore, this rule applies at all times while afloat. Wet suits and dry suits are not personal flotation devices.

Our club SIs state

Competitors must wear adequate personal buoyancy at all times when on the water. Neither a wet-suit nor a dry-suit constitute adequate personal buoyancy. Flag Y will not be flown. This changes RRS 40.

I guess it's a trade-off between improved movability (not that modern buoyancy aids restrict movement too much anyway) and increased risk in case of accidents. Can't say much about performance racing, but it seems that with 'ordinary' dinghies the risk of something going seriously wrong is not any larger with aids. Anybody have any statistics on that?
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From the class rules.

PERSONAL EQUIPMENT
C.3.1 MANDATORY
(a) The boat shall be equipped with a personal floatation device for each crew member to the minimum
standard ISO 12402-5 (CE 50 Newtons) or EN 396.


But that doesn't technically say they need to wear it?
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Their are only two members of my club that wear helmets, but only when very windy, one of them had a fractured skull sailing in strong winds (not wearing helmet).
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unless there is a local sailing club rule that is an amendment to the Si's ..which i think most clubs have? and most classes adhere to the local byelaws, stay out of shipping yadayadayada
Like this one from where the nationals where at LRSC.

18.Safety 18.1. Competitors must wear adequate personal buoyancy whilst afloat.Wetsuits or drysuits are not considered adequate buoyancy


Edited by fudheid - 13 Jul 18 at 12:48pm
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One could deduce, from the slick race management at that event, that binning would be the result of blatantly ignoring SI's, and therefore the SI's do not mandate BA's. (I can't find the SI's online).
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Should have added local authority stipulates buoyancy must be worn at my club, and theirs no ambiguity in their written regulations.
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Originally posted by Noah

(I can't find the SI's online).

https://www.salcombeyc.org.uk/article/65195
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