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Poll Question: Have or do you sail on a trapeze boat
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    Posted: 05 Jul 18 at 10:22pm
Well, I raced the Blaze in an unexpected 5-10 knots last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. Despite the fact I was 10th of 16. Winning is not a priority these days  Embarrassed

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 18 at 8:06pm
Yes, fun, that's why I sail my Mirror, most of us are to old to be so 'serious', it's all about 'winning' but, seriously, match your ambitions to your potential and enjoy your sailing, blow a raspberry at the next grump who calls you for something.
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I like the last sentence of your post. Sometimes or most of the time it sounds like you have it!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 10:05pm
Was back in the Solution this afternoon, having to work quite hard in a brisk gusty force four battling big blokes in Lasers, it was hot this time I was trussed up in a wetsuit expecting to swim, but I'm getting better now in puffy conditions and made a real race of it, lack of hydration probably did it for me letting him go in one moment of madness, but tomorrow I'll be back in the Farr and the difference is this.

Once you go through the tack your there, hiking you just lean out get your butt over the edge and your stomach does the rest but the Farr, you go through the tack get the boat going (nowhere near wire to wire for me yet) then you have to kick up and out not always certain there's enough, then there's the added nervous energy coming from being new to it all so there are muscle groups that are different.

As to aerobic.. nah at no time do I breath heavy at this lark, now I maybe getting on a bit but fit? It's why I'm doing it, you don't have to be particularly fit, not fighting fit, like you need to be to race windsurfers or any of the other stuff I've done down the years.

No, I put it down to nervous exhaustion and extra muscle groups, but it's not bad exhaustion it's exhaustion from having too much fun, and I'm still getting better at it and love every minute.
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I've not seen you sail your 3.7 ever at BSC in all the time it have been there either !!  ... It is your one is it not ?   Do people really sail them on a regular basis  ... as well as on this forum ? ... GRF excluded of course .... LOL


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

trapeze boats are AEROBIC, that's why you were ...... etc

Think you were possibly not working quite hard enough when 'hiking' from your comments.  Wink

Read the post.  Wink

If you'd sailed a Burton Cup, you'd have seen me aerobically working.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 1:58pm
Think MPS sailors could back Jack’s theory up with heart rate monitor readouts Mike.

I know the RYA commissioned something similar with HR monitoring on 470 crews in the 1990s... crews worked aerobically harder than helms. Admitted i’ve Never seen a 470 helm really hike her balls blue a la Laser / Finn / Blaze sailors... but I ‘get’ what Jack is saying, as would most who’ve sailed both hiker and trapeze singlehanders

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 1:18pm
trapeze boats are AEROBIC, that's why you were ...... etc

Think you were possibly not working quite hard enough when 'hiking' from your comments.  Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 18 at 10:34am
Originally posted by iGRF

I dunno about wiring being easier, it probably is on a two man boat but I've done two windy races recently one in the Farr in what really were survival conditions for me and the other in similar conditions that blew up as the race progressed this in the EPS in which I was over powered to the point an Aero 7 overtook me upwind to leeward.

But of the two, three laps of triangle sausage = one lap races, I was far more knackered on the trapeze boat than I was hiking, probably down to new muscles being employed in the former, I seriously had to come home and have a lie down after the thursday night race whereas the sunday morning was a lot less traumatic yet the wind was similarly force five plus.

It's not new muscles, it's your aerobic system. Trapeze boats are AEROBIC, that's why you were knackered. On the whole, a hiking boat allows you to be less aerobic. I'm not saying they aren't aerobic, just you can get away with it not being. You can't in a Trap boat single hander. That's why Mustos etc... are hard even for reasonably sailors if they are not aerobically fit enough. And frankly, that is a large proportion of sailors (given age demographics etc), myself included. The 3.7 is less aerobic than 600's, MPS, etc but still aerobic. And it also provides the opportunity to rest without the extra energy sapping capsize a MPS etc will hand out in spades.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 18 at 7:51pm
Well I was out in the Javelin today,  hiking my bits off through the gusts, hauling on the 1:1 mainsheet and endlessly hoisting the huge kite and stuffing it away again.  Ache all over.  But yes the V3k hurts in a different way resulting in cramps and muscle spasms (fast twitch muscles vs heavy haulage muscles).  My one afternoon out in an MPS (followed by a beer and a fistful of nurofen) resulted in one of the best 12 hour sleeps of my life!

Meanwhile a visitation of young scouting type people at the club today; dressed in huge immobilizing life jackets and crash hats to be sailed around the lake by "gentlemen of a certain age" in heavily reefed tubs.  Bet THAT will get us some recruits to the sport!!
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