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Rupert
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Topic: New Olympic events. Posted: 28 May 18 at 9:01pm |
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So, bringing it back round, the Olympics should be run using the it available at pay and play places, so you can go and hire the boat that your hero won gold in. After all, you can run on a running track the same as Bolt's and wear the same (maybe smaller) shoes, even if it takes you 60 seconds, not 10, to do the distance.
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 18 at 2:14am | |
Hear hear.
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 18 at 2:19am | |
No one's talking about it going that far, are they? Olympic rowing and cycling, for example, use the kit weekend amateur competitors use, not Boris Bikes and the hire boats from Battersea Park Boating Lake. On the other hand, given the decline in participation during the period when "exteme sailing" has been promoted, maybe it could be said that a rotomoulded Olympics could hardly be worse for the sport. After all, when dinghy sailing was in its boomtime even the Olympic boats were designed as dual purpose cruiser/racers suitable for overnight camping on European lakes.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 18 at 5:46am | |
It is interesting though Rupert - the sailing events which offer the lowest cost of equipment and are also the ones with event supplied equipment: Laser, Radial and RS:X.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 18 at 8:30am | |
The doom bringers amongst us are predicting there won't be any, or at least many, weekend warriors soon, so rotomoulded will best represent the sport as it stands once the baby boomers have joined PGYC.
From a personal point of view, I'm seeing families joining the club and the kids learning to sail. Of the hundreds I've seen coming through Juniors whilst my kids have been growing up, I've seen many going on the university team racing success, becoming instructors, crewing yachts, racing fast trapeze boats, pottering in small boats, making careers out of water sport. Also seen many fall by the wayside as other things become more important in life, which is fair enough. I also see middle aged and newly retired people either coming back to sailing after decades, or taking it up for the first time. Many in both of these groups see it as a lifestyle choice where the actual sailing and racing is only part of it. The group activity, whether it is joining the club committee, helping out with safety cover or volunteering to help with Sailability is just as important. These aren't people who have lived with sailing all their lives, but they have brought new enthusiasm and ideas to club sailing. Will there be fewer of these people coming to the sport in future, as pensions pinch for the generation currently in their 40s and 50s? Probably, just as there may well be for the National Trust and Ramblers. Should we all give up because of that? I think we just need to accept there will not only be some shrinkage for reasons beyond our control, but that clubs will change over time, and in fact have, but not necessarily for the worse, as new sailors get what they want to out of the sport. This may include a larger role for leasing of boats, but I can't currently see it as an economic model for clubs, centres or builders. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 18 at 6:28pm | |
Have a look at this.
Way to go for Olympic Sailing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NGieU_BrNw Let's create some heroes!! |
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"World Sailing are seeking tenders for equipment to be selected for the Men and Women One Person Dinghy Events, starting at the 2024 Olympic Sailing Competition... World Sailing’s Board of Directors will make a recommendation to the Council on whether to retain, evolve or select new equipment" For some reason I thought the equipment review would be keeping the laser, but looking in LP and their monopoly and maybe forcing open more licence manufacturers with a new spar / sail design... But it seems the tender process is open for full boats too. Aero? Devoti? WAZP? We'll find out the shortlisted tenders on the 13th July. If they decide to evolve or select new equipment trials will be before September 2019.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 18 at 9:53am | |
Second part of the article I linked in the Laser thread, but it's more relevant to the new mixed events.
It seems to me world sailing want gender equality and to me it seems that they have invented new formats to get female participants in to the existing medal count. I thought it was a bit of a mess, as the new formats presented don't really exist. I'd rather just have men and women versions of each event, or failing that a mixed crew. But from Kim Andersen's comments it seems the number of athletes is the issue, not medal count. So why create this mess? I'm not sure I really get much of what Andersen is say either, possibly because it's his second language. I don't get the vibe he has a clear view of what should happen, or maybe he's just limited in how much he's allowed to say. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 18 at 10:28am | |
They're both issues. as is international distribution. One of the biggest problems for sailing is lack of representation on some continents. This, I suspect, is why match racing is not favoured. AFAICS it hardly happens outside the first world. Edited by JimC - 25 Oct 18 at 10:33am |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 18 at 11:19am | |
Interesting article from my standpoint the windsurfing v kite is an example of the total lack of comprehension on behalf of WS as to what actually is happening in the world. The Fact is, other than speed sailing which introduced kites to them purely because otherwise their speed record could not be ratified, there is no serious kite course racing competition in most countries, certainly not in the UK. I couldn't help but laugh at the adverts doing the rounds for 'athletes' to be trained as kite competitors. It's as if they want performing monkeys for a circus.
Most kite folk don't want to compete other than with their 'Woo's' (A GPS device that measures your jump height) and that really is a personal best thing with only serious pro's dominating the top of the results, would it make good TV? Possibly, Big Air works for snowboarding, but I digress. They've recently recruited a young man from our area as a coach, at the moment he's learning to foil presumably so he can pass on his skills to others eventually, he's not a racer either, never has, never really wanted to, it's not in their mindset. We all know what a racing mindset is, they don't take up kitesurfing naturally with that sort of competition in mind, it doesn't happen. Foiling is not easy for even the very best I haven't even mastered it (not that I'm an example of the best) but if it were to benefit us globally, access rather than elitism is the answer, and somebody like me, a natural racer by nature should be able to master it within say a summer I sell foils ffs I ought to be all over it. But, foiling might look good for a while, it is a great sensation, for a while, but many of the foilers I know have already given it up as it's boring, they prefer the cut and thrust of either a twin tip or surfboard in waves and wind that make foiling not preferable. Meanwhile we have a young girl who has dedicated her time to competition course racing windsurfing, another natural racer, and dinghy sailor she has wintered down the lake sailed Tasars and Snipes, travels has two world titles, is well off the RYA radar for all the reasons we all know about, with the churn and squad demotivating issues, there are several girls in our region that could all fit the bill, but won't because they don't want to, it is not a 'natural' part of their desire for fun from their sport , they prefer the free riding aspects of them and to race for fun at events of their choosing. So what am I saying here? The truth is the bureaucracy, the regimentation, the 'more stuff like being at school' is what keeps folk in our sport away from the Olympic pathway, too many tales of truly awful behaviour within the system, dedicated lives ruined in the almost Eastern European from the cold war period style approach to the sport. So it doesn't really matter what World Sailing does or chooses, it will be artificial and have no basis in the reality of a natural pursuit enjoyed by many being showcased, it will be exactly the opposite. Monkeys trained to perform for the TV cameras and the wealth and finance of the IOC. If some jobs are created by it all the better, but lets not pretend it is anything other than what it is. |
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