New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Not seen at the show
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Not seen at the show

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 56789>
Author
Cirrus View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 29 Oct 15
Location: UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 361
Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 18 at 7:05pm
    where a chute in front  of the stay scores because we tend to hoist and drop on both tacks.

So do we ... but it is dead easy both sides if the chute itself is of decent size - honestly !  Biggest problem by a country mile is up/down resistance - always was and nothing has changed recently.  Big hole + big sock - QED  otherwise why on earth would we do it ?  (and it does not knacker the sail constantly ...)

It's not ever going to be an issue for you and GRFi though is it  .... Wink  



Edited by Cirrus - 08 Mar 18 at 7:07pm
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7880
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 18 at 9:49pm
Can't really see the problem, bigger chute seems to make sense, though I'm sure a nosedive will flood the boat just as easily as a small chute forwards of the forestay. Such is sailing.

Furling a flat cut kite then dropping it like a sausage seemed to work on big cats, but no idea if it is a goer on a dinghy. The flat cut for one would limit things on a medium speed boat.
Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Topper 44496, Minisail 3131, Minisail 3446
Back to Top
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 207
Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Cirrus

   
It's not ever going to be an issue for you and GRFi though is it  .... Wink  


Why even start this thread if you are going to get snippy about comments ... 
Back to Top
iGRF View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 11
Location: Hythe
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5035
Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Cirrus


   
It's not ever going to be an issue for you and GRFi though is it  .... Wink  




Well if it ever was again I've already designed a fully functioning solution with swinging pole which worked really well.

Back to Top
RS400atC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Dec 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2802
Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 11:29am
Originally posted by Cirrus

  ....
It's not ever going to be an issue for you and GRFi though is it  .... Wink  


If that was directed at me, my only issue is to understand a little more about design influences on boats.  I doubt I'll be in the market for another dinghy by the time any improvement on the RS400 (in its niche) hits the UK market. Which is a shame, as I fancy something basically of the same concept but updated and seriously lighter.
The chute mouth of the 400 ought to be bigger. The system on the RS800 seems pretty good to me, albeit lacking the foredeck to provide an endplate effect on the jib. Considering these and other issues, I'd like to understand more about the possibilities of different main:jib ratios. Looking partculary at certain Merlins.....

Of course, this is a product intended for a completely different market. Where the 400 has barely been heard of.
Back to Top
Cirrus View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 29 Oct 15
Location: UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 361
Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 12:52pm
No need for anyone to be offended and that is never the intention ... this is a relatively civilised but still necessarily robust forum on occasion.  There are usually more ways to do stuff than just one in most things.  This works both ways.  Anyone else may have followed a very different decision path to you - or us.   

Blimey it is still fairly probable the 3-sail version may never even become available in this country.   But at least I/we do get to enjoy the boat for a while yet....  Big smile  

(PS - So do you want to know why we did not go for a swinging pole next ?  Apart from GRF's picture that is .... )
Back to Top
JimC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5631
Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

(PS - So do you want to know why we did not go for a swinging pole next ? 

Ultimately its a solution looking for a problem.
Back to Top
turnturtle View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 05 Dec 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1913
Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Cirrus

(PS - So do you want to know why we did not go for a swinging pole next ? 

Ultimately its a solution looking for a problem.


And a blessed layer on complexity to an otherwise simpler approach to larger downwind sail area
Back to Top
RS400atC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Dec 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2802
Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 2:10pm
Swinging pole does have its uses, but the RS400 type is perhaps not going to swing far enough to be worthwhile if the bow is finer?
Perhaps also, you wanted the racing to be about gybing rather than running deep?
Because at the end of the day, the nature of the game is to design a boat (and/or a pack of rules) which give the best all-round racing for the target buyers, not to make the boat as fast as possible on every point of sail. You could obviously make it go faster at times by adding a trapeze and/or a raking rig.
A lot depends whether you are looking for a boat to do w/l, triangle or those lake courses where the race officer sets a series of marks using a 12-sided die (and then the wind shifts 40 degrees).

 I think a point people sometimes miss about the 400's swinging pole is that it operates with a standard issue SMOD kite. It extends the compromise of the kite to cover tighter reaches by having a fairly flat kite and wanging it to go a bit deeper. On a boat of similar power:weight with open choice of sails, we'd be finding that the best kite for club racing with lots of random reaches might be very different from the best kite for w/l courses. Even assuming people will use one kite for all wind speeds.

Or maybe Mr Morrison has a patent on the wing-wang system and the other systems are too complex/fragile/heavy?
Back to Top
iGRF View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 11
Location: Hythe
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5035
Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Cirrus

(PS - So do you want to know why we did not go for a swinging pole next ? 

Ultimately its a solution looking for a problem.


Problems like being beaten by slower boats with symmetric kites in sub planing conditions?
(RS200 v L3K)
(470 v RS500)
(Merlin v Alto/RS400)
(Hornet v Alto/RS400)

Edited by iGRF - 09 Mar 18 at 2:25pm
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 56789>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy