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If you followed evolution you'd all be Racing windsurf boards.

Having regressed myself to this sitting out lark I've decided to bin the idea for sea sailing and have recently ordered a little wiring steed for precisely the reason that long legs hiking are boring as well as mildly painful and require tacking out of the sunny side of the sail too often.

We shall see how effective it is compared to a harness on a windsurf race board, but I tend to wonder about the marginal bits in between, I guess you'll still be hooked in so your upper body weight supported on the wire wether your half sat on the side or all the way out..

I also wonder about hook height which makes a difference in both the other sports I pursue in harnesses, do you go for a high hook if it's windy and low hook if it's light, do folk adjust their hook heights even?

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No, I'd say it's unlike windsurfing (can't comment on kiting) the hook is usually around your CG but the length of the wire (and, therefore how high you wire) is adjustable, low when it's windy for more leverage and high when marginal.

Not TBF that I ever used anything but a seat harness once they were invented, I never could get on with waist harnesses, but then I never did get to grips with waves either........


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I don't know what current thinking is, but back in the day we were always encouraged to get our weight into the rig crewing 420s and trap off the centreboard casing as early as possible.  I could quite imagine new school thinking would buck that, focusing on agility and weight placement for the crew now rather than early wiring... so the helm just has to sit there and point it in the right direction/
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I would say that being a wiring crew on a three sail boat is one of the best rides in town. I'll happily jump in the front of my boat if my regular crew is away and there's a decent driver looking for a sail.

Yes TT, not applicable I guess to more weight sensitive modern skiffs but in the past I've also been told to get crew on wire to "get the rig working better" not been unknown to sometimes see helms sitting to leeward.
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BTW.

iGRF. Do I guess a Farr is inbound? I don't always agree with some of your particular conspiracy theories BUT I really hope you enjoy your wiring on what sounds an appropriate boat. Please though give some thought to this request, forget the rating number, just have fun and tell us how you get on.

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Originally posted by Do Different

Yes TT, not applicable I guess to more weight sensitive modern skiffs but in the past I've also been told to get crew on wire to "get the rig working better" not been unknown to sometimes see helms sitting to leeward.

And it will have the effect of damping any rolling motion, sort of the opposite of sitting close together upwind in waves to allow the bow to rise over them more easily.
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Originally posted by Do Different


BTW.
iGRF. Do I guess a Farr is inbound? I don't always agree with some of your particular conspiracy theories BUT I really hope you enjoy your wiring on what sounds an appropriate boat. Please though give some thought to this request, forget the rating number, just have fun and tell us how you get on.
edit spelling.





Now I've committed I'll do whatever I can to make it as fast as I can, I've ordered a gantry for the rudder, from Andy at Bloodaxe, I'm having it wrapped in carbon to make it look quick at least, I shall probably go with Dyneema rigging once I know what the stainless stuff measures, it's got a carbon rig and I don't care about the PY, if I start winning they'll penalise me anyway, they usually do if I turn up with something new.
Fundamentally I just want an easier time of it on our quite long courses.

Getting back to the hook height it must make a difference as to how soon you can wire I mean a lower hook will have more weight than a high hook surely, I'm trying to get my head round it. The higher the hook height the lower ratio of body weight will transfer to the rig won't it?
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Both hiking and wiring are bad for my knees, done loads of both and cycle to work each day (10 hilly miles round trip), eaten too much paracetamol and  ibuprofen drunk too much to deaden the pain

So a few years ago I gave up the whole sitting down/doing squats on the rail thing and got a windsurfer, just picked up a Mistral D2 to add to my beach toy collection, so something fun the play with this summer that will keep my interest.
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Originally posted by iGRF



Getting back to the hook height it must make a difference as to how soon you can wire I mean a lower hook will have more weight than a high hook surely, I'm trying to get my head round it. The higher the hook height the lower ratio of body weight will transfer to the rig won't it?


That is indeed the way it works. When I used to trapeze I would have a very high hook in light winds so that I was effectively walking around the boat whilst hooked in. As the wind strengthens, the hook got lowered.
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