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    Posted: 20 Jan 18 at 3:13pm
Hi all 

New to the forum and new to sailing. 
I recently completed my RYA Levels 1 and 2, with most training done on a Laser Pico. 
Really enjoyed it so I've just bought a Pico of my own now. Great condition and all the parts seem to be there but I'm having trouble with one thing. 

From the training I attended, and from the Pico owners manual, I understand you should be able to furl the mainsail by rotating the mast (while it is still stepped). 

The problem I have is that when the mast is in place, the collar and mast gate fit together so tightly that I am unable to rotate the mast at all. 

I've checked that nothing else if fouling it, by just fitting the lower mast section and no other rigging - unfortunately the same problem. 

I applied some spray type silicone lubricant, after which I was able to shift the mast about a quarter turn - but still very stiff and only by using the downhaul cleat as a handle! (I wouldn't want to put any more sideways stress on this). I would by no means be able to do this afloat either.

I thought it should rotate more freely than this?  

Am I doing something wrong? Or is this a problem anyone else has encountered? Any advice greatly appreciated!

Many thanks in advance. 

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not sure about Pico, but Toppers you wrap sail around the mast, then attach to boom.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 18 at 5:34pm
It's not clear from the OP whether you have the mainsail attached to the boom.  Ashore, like stated in the post above, the easiest way is just to wrap the sail around the mast. Just don't try that afloat as it's nearly impossible to re-attach the main to the boom.

In picos and toppers alike you should be able to put in and take out a reef with the mainsail attached by rotating the mast. 

Make sure the outhaul is completely slack as well as the kicker (or remove kicker) before rotating the mast. The downhaul will foul the boom as you rotate, so you can either remove the downhaul too, or drop the boom below the downhaul. I always found it easier to just remove the downhaul and reattach it after.  

If you don't have the sail attached and still can't rotate the mast then I don't really have an answer for you. 




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should work like this. Here he drops the boom below the downhaul so the mast will rotate, but I always found it easier on the water to just remove the downhaul and leave the boom where it was, then let off the kicker and outhaul and rotate. Should be the same in a pico.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 18 at 6:48pm
The OP's issue is that the mast gate is too tight to be able to rotate the mast, even without the sail and boom rigged. 

Just as an aside, I'de be very careful to avoid getting silicone into the bottom of the boat, Non-slip on poly boats is not the best and coating it with silicone is a sure fire way to make it worse (in my windsurfing days we used to refer to the "Teflon non-slip" on certain makes of board  Confused )
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Sounds like you might need to ease the joint a fraction. Try fine sanding the inside of the mast gate - you'll only need to take a fraction of a mm off.

Another possibility is that the gate part shuts too tight. Try putting a thin but of stiff wire down the locking pin hole, so it doesn't close fully, and see if the bottom mast rotates then. Don't try sailing it like this! If it rotates happily then, you might have to find someone to take another look at what is going on.

Also, check the mast in another Pico.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 18 at 7:52pm
might be nothing, boat isn't slightly distorted by trolley ? Have you tried rotating mast when boat is in water ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ColPrice2002 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 18 at 9:26am
With the sailing school Picos I have to use both hands to rotate the mast - and use the cleats as a grip.
Do check the foot of the mast, I've seen a couple of masts where the foot of the mast had the aluminium worn away leaving wafer thin, razor sharp edges. These will make it difficult to rotate the mast, and are likely to wreck your handsrigging!
Also, check the foot of the mast for the condition of the plastic insert, then the mast step. Grit isn't going to help...

 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 18 at 9:34am
Just as an aside, I'de be very careful to avoid getting silicone into the bottom of the boat

Indeed, I remember replacing the slot gasket on my Contender some years ago and a "helpful" member of the local Contender fleet enthusiastically spraying silicone over the slot to get the board to move smoothly. Which it did very well.

However, the next time I capsized getting onto the board proved to be something like trying to climb onto a skating rink!  Disapprove
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 18 at 11:07am
Used to use it all the time (every time I put the CB in the board) on my Mistral Equipe 2 Raceboard, but very sparingly indeed. Of course we never needed to climb onto the centreboard  Wink

Would have been much worse if he had got it all over the cockpit though.......

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