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Loyboy
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Topic: Dynamic ratings from Sailracer. Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 10:05am |
Possibly 10-15th.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 10:15am |
New sailors aren't going to be put off by PY system either, they will be to concerned with actually getting round the course.
Does anyone actually know of a single instance of someone leaving sailing due to PY. What we need is another "Mirror" "Miracle" to bring sailing back into the public consciousness, not necessarily a boat. I can see a place in sailing for both systems, sailrace system would work really well for "Barts Bash" type of events, would give a quicker result anyway. My club wouldn't be able to use sailrace system, we race in a country park, our clubhouse and facilities are about 50 yards from lake, we tow a caravan up to jetty, vast majority of our members struggle with pen and paper system.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 10:56am |
So the old hull, though well optimised and with a modern rig cost you 10-15 places at the front end of a very competitive fleet. What would you say that represents in percentage terms and what are the issues with the hull (weight, shape, stiffness) that make that difference. I'm asking because I see myself in a Solo at some point in the future, budget will be tight (so no new rig) and it'll be purely for club racing.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 11:06am |
Incidentally, having just made that last post it occurs to me that one reason I haven't already bought a Solo or Laser is the small fleets at club level compared to the handicap fleet. It's unlikely that I will travel much (if at all) to open meetings so the bigger numbers (and element of randomness) hold some attraction.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 11:34am |
Late to the party on this one and you'll have to forgive me for maybe not reading everything that's written so I'll bullet point my comments.
I naturally have a suspicion of all things commercial so am immediately reticent, would this require proprietary software from a monopoly supplier, I assume so. Would all craft require tracking nodes? Would all craft, (even us dead classes)get in on the act or would as at present we have to have competed in the SJ series for any consideration? I can see the benefit of live tracking in major events and I don't doubt the data that 'they' have amassed is relevant, but I can't see it being any help whatsoever in dealing with the puddle banditerati that plague some of our lives. Nor does it address the human skill factor in the way I'd like to be judged and the answer to another question that has plagued me. Which is worse, an ageing boat or an ageing helm? Can a young helm in an old boat beat an old helm in a new boat, assuming they both 'know their stuff'. The holy grail being a solution that makes the actual craft irrelevant to a competition, so we could all line up in boats that suit our body dimensions and capability and still have a half decent chance of line honours should we start on time, go the right way, bang every shift, use every tidal advantage and not drop a tack or gybe. I don't think that system gets us any nearer, but it would be churlish not to applaude the effort, and I do tend to agree with dougal that to do nothing would be wrong. Something new wouldn't necessarily force the old system out, something new could be used in parallel. Something new might bring a sense of stability, personally I think the rapid changes of late have damaged things far more than the moribund ways of old. Then again it could also be argued that this outfit are partially responsible for screwing things up anyway, so should their reward be to fix it? Edited by iGRF - 31 Dec 17 at 11:36am |
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PeterG
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 12:12pm |
It's unlikely that I will travel much (if at all) to open meetings so the bigger numbers (and element of randomness) hold some attraction.
I think the last is an interesting point - the very fact that handicaps are not, and can never be perfect, is in itself a positive, particularly at club level. With a mixed fleet the fact that some boats will do better in some conditions than others ensures that it's not that same boat, or small set of boats, that can be guaranteed to lead all the races. That surely is something that should be welcomed?
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Peter
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 12:42pm |
That's my feeling but I do come from the generation who venerated sportsmanship over the 'win at all cost' attitude that seems to pervade 'sport' these days
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 12:47pm |
Yup, nail/head etc. Edited by Sam.Spoons - 31 Dec 17 at 12:47pm |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 12:58pm |
I have always attributed decline in sportsmanship to 'John Mcenroe' I can remember my mother being appalled at his behaviour and the fact he got away with it, and was well payed.
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 17 at 3:33pm |
and of course in this mythical race,there would be new frp Solo as winner and also one placed in the 50s and probably the 90s too |
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