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    Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 10:22pm
So following the high and mighty about the laser class and replica sails vs class legal sails and them not being the same boat and not being allowed to race.

How is this for a teaser
So we now have the standard sail Mark 2 radial cut. So does this make the original Mark 1 sail now not class legal. Because to be fair it's what they are promoting and surely a heavily restricted one design single manufacturer class couldn't possibly have 2 differing sail cuts and be the same. Let alone be made by different companies on different continents. Let alone 2 recognised sail makers on norths and hydes. For different markets. So about time surely the competition commission needs to be involved as clearly these companies have a monopoly situation for these classes.

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Edited by Neal_g - 25 Dec 17 at 10:23pm
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The problem with SMODs (of which the L@ser is the ultimate) is that it's the manufacturer who decides what is class legal or not, not the sailors (or their representatives running the CA). This means that all decisions are made for the benefit of the shareholders to increase profitability rather than to improve the boat......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:08am
Laser sails last a matter of months, its not a long term problem
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:13am
Their are already a number of different sized sails and masts, this is just another developement, new sail and new mast.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:50am
But the different rigs are all considered different classes, mk1 and mk2 sails are the same class...
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Is it any different from allowing the XD controlled boats and old kicker ones to race together? Classes which banned all the old kit would soon wither and die.
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I don't for a moment think that Laser actually wanted to change the sail. I would imagine that they needed to do something to win their market share back from people who buy the cheap copies ie it needs to last longer and perform better than the standard sail.

Does this go against the class ethos? Yes in suppose it does, but times change and they need to move less behind them.

Does it go against the class ethos more than someone using a cheaper/longer lasting/maybe faster sail from someone else? No, at least not in my view.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Is it any different from allowing the XD controlled boats and old kicker ones to race together? Classes which banned all the old kit would soon wither and die.

No it isn't, and yes they would, as Paramedic says they were probably forced into it to try and reverse the, relative, decline of the class.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 10:25pm
also  i do think they were struggling to find a  cloth maker who would keep making the bog paper cloth  with a shrinking market  for  full rig sails ... 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

The problem with SMODs (of which the L@ser is the ultimate) is that it's the manufacturer who decides what is class legal or not, not the sailors (or their representatives running the CA).


Not actually true. I spent some years helping fine-tune class rules for a SMOD and changes needed 3-way agreement, manufacture, class-association and the copyright holder of the class rules (which was neither of the first two). Though I am pleased to say the manufacturer was not Laser.
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