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iGRF
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Topic: Anyone know anything about National 18s? Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 4:34pm |
Or if they need measurement certificates to enter prestigious events?
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 10:19pm |
Or indeed if they go on to win such an event without such a certificate it's not entirely within the said rules of a National Class?
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 10:20pm |
Or is it one rule for 'insiders' and a total other rule for us plebs?
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 10:44pm |
Huh?
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 10:59pm |
Kept checking date, thought it was 'April Fools day' didn't want to be first to post.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 11:02pm |
RYA/Great Lakes/ SJ cover up shock horror probe. Winning boat had no credentials I understand. Then what do I know, I've never had a measurement certificate in my life, but some folk think it's important even though it is 'only handicap racing so doesn't count'.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 17 at 11:10pm |
Do you actually need a measurement certificate for handicap racing ?
I always thought you only needed one for class events.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 7:04am |
There are few events where you need to show a measurement certificate. However the rules require a boat to be in compliance with its class rules, which may include some form of certificate management.
If you enter a handicap event claiming that you're sailing a boat of X class and you know the boat doesn't comply with the class rules that would be a RRS 2 or possibly an RRS69 breach and is cheating. If, on the other hand, you enter an event claiming only that your boat is similar to X class and these are the differences then that's perfectly legitimate. Its up to the organisers whether they give you the same handicap as X class or a different one. If you discover after an event that the boat you claimed to measure doesn't measure, then you must inform the organisers and retire, no matter how long after. http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/QA2017.007A001-[23304].pdf Note that the Q&A says you must retire, no getouts about "I asked the organisers and they don't want to be bothered because it wouldn't have made any difference" or "No-one cares about that stuff anyway". There was, of course, a case a few years ago where a prominent boat retired from a major winter event because their boat didn't measure. Edited by JimC - 23 Dec 17 at 7:27am |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:19am |
What about, say a bog standard Enterprise you have owned from new, never had it measured, never joined class association ?
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:26am |
"RYA/Great Lakes/ SJ cover up shock horror probe. Winning boat had no credentials I understand. Then what do I know, I've never had a measurement certificate in my life, but some folk think it's important even though it is 'only handicap racing so doesn't count'."
Exactly, what do you know? Said nothing of substance so far, sounds like no news to me. N18 have several evolutions of weights and specs. They themselves requested the RYA remove the most recent listed PN as they felt it was too favourable. BTW. That N18s are sailed by toffs is no more proof that they benefit from an establishment cover up than chippy windsurfers are the peoples champion.
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