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Cirrus
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Topic: Another PY question..(pumping content) Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 5:19pm |
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If it became widespread .. then many more would naturally migrate to the leadmines a lot earlier or even skip out dinghies completely in the first place ... Not to mention all those non sailing alternatives ... .
Dinghy sailing simply does not help itself sometimes ... or perhaps it does not have the necessary imagination or leadership to consider "what could possibly go wrong"..... Edited by Cirrus - 18 Dec 17 at 5:20pm |
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E.J.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 5:54pm | |||
The Contenders allow pumping at their open events, the class is not made up of athletes or pros in the same manner that the finns are and pumping has definitely had an affect. Pumping can easily be done wrong and slow you down and its become more about technique than brute force, in fact the best downwind sailors are still the ones that can maximise a single pump/waves rather than just row it, This might be to do with the extra length of the Contender or lesser rounded profile than the Finn. What pumping has done is make broad reaches /runs much more interesting and dynamic than just set and go. We have rules that removes pumping under 10kt and this avoids rowing as well, as there is less gains to it (outright rowing) as the breeze builds. We have definitely benefited from this aspect and it is not a fit/young persons boat.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 6:19pm | |||
I strongly disagree that vigorous 'hiking' is not exactly the same as pumping, it's just harder work. I've seen it, sailed against the buggers off the line, hiking at the gun then again and again as countless 'gusts' appear to 'unbalance' the boat to leeward causing them to have to hike back out harder, then again and again and again. Edited by iGRF - 18 Dec 17 at 6:20pm |
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Steve411
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 6:27pm | |||
That's different to 'normal' or static hiking. That's putting kinetics in. |
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rich96
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 6:41pm | |||
Try hiking or pumping a Finn - the hiking bit upwind is now the rest period and the downwind is way harder
I guess its helped attract younger sailors but has resulted in 'them and us' races when the pumping flag is up Not sure that it makes the class any more attractive overall ?. The OKs don't need it |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 6:48pm | |||
None 'kinetic' hiking? I really need to be shown that
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Daniel Holman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 7:11pm | |||
Totally agree E.J
I consider myself a decent s/h sailor and I’ll be honest I do and always have done all the kinetics I want to / am capable of within the propulsion rules, ie if it were “switched off” it wouldn’t change how I sailed. Only exception might be mirror flat light air, and perhaps to a small extent in a centre main boat. Singlehanded hiking boat sailing is already brutally physical in any wind - if you don’t think it is you aren’t doing it right and perhaps getting away with perching on the side of a class that has a low standard of sailing or lenient py (venn diagram perhaps?) Allowing free pumping will not change a classes performance, in my opinion. This isn’t a windsurfer rig where you have 4 degrees of freedom rather than one. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Dec 17 at 7:39pm | |||
Called "sitting out" in the olden days. Using your weight to pump the rig isn't actually compulsory, apart from in Lasers. |
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Old Timer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Dec 17 at 9:50am | |||
Sounds like you need a spinnaker ...
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Dec 17 at 10:28am | |||
Sometimes this forum just needs a 'like' button |
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