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iGRF
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Topic: Travellers Series... Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 6:18pm |
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I wouldn't do four races back to back on a good day, when did all this bollox start? All no doubt decided for the benefit of the organising factions. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 6:23pm | |
So, are you implying I wouldn't or haven't? I don't go to your gerrymandered SJ series because the boats I own are out handicapped, they not being important enough as 'classes' to feature in an industry dominated event like that, where they organise the system to attract numbers nor are they Bandits like the boats you sail. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 7:04pm | |
I recall an AGM on a nice warm summer evening, and the class members voting to get as much racing in as possible the next year and have lots of races. And I also recall, the next year, the fleet sneaking in for lunch or a tea break at every possible opportunity. For the organisers I would have thought back to back races were the last thing you'd want, since your support crews spend endless hours on the water, and you're minimising the opportunity to sell food and drink to the competitors. |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 7:55pm | |
Do think maybe the noise of numbers is hiding one very salient observation.... that being that a large proportion of those who are actively handicap sailing and contributing to your stats, aren’t really racing in the traditional sense, they are simply sailing around in unison, a competitive cruise... the equivalent of the sportive rider or Sunday peloton; maybe the fitness class participant? as such, it’s no wonder they aren’t target demographic for travelling around and all the hassle that goes with it?? Edited by turnturtle - 12 Nov 17 at 7:56pm |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 8:03pm | |
So, are you implying I wouldn't or haven't?
1. Prove us wrong then .... Surely better than bashing the keyboard. I'll buy the beer. 2) Yes .... And what on earth is wrong with the handicaps (PN or GL for that matter) on 'your' classes ? |
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elzorillo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 10:43pm | |
I dont get this statement.. If they arent bothered with organised class racing, preferring to simply tag along with the infrequent sunday club race, why waste your time fretting over them? Surely much better to concentrate your limited time on those who actively support the class rather than worry about those who clearly dont want your assistance.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 17 at 4:32am | |
1) because we wanted to be the association for the whole class, not just a little clique.
2) because we wanted their subscriptions 3) because we were a small class with a limited pool of secondhand boats and wanted to encourage as much activity as possible. 4) because we wanted to think that we could encourage them to become more active in the class Edited by JimC - 13 Nov 17 at 7:18am |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 17 at 8:09am | |
4 great reasons, Jim.
From my experience, with a small class it seems possible to have "bursts" of success, but then things settle back again. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 17 at 8:28am | |
Completely agree, but maybe CA management challenges is a different topic. |
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getafix
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 17 at 10:27am | |
+1 for competitors sneaking ashore when they can, I've seen this on two race days, never mind 4 race days! +1 for the hosting club issues IMO this is very much like those who sit at the AGM (often held at the nationals) and say they will drive to the ends of the earth next year to compete on open meeting traveller circuit events, then when that meeting at the other end of the country roles around and they're looking at having to book a day off from work Friday and coming back late Sunday with an uncertain forecast .... find 'fixture congestion' has taken place in their heads and wallets and leaves the organising club with a dissapointing turn out for all the volunteers and effort put in. Regional trophies are a nice to have for classes with regional distribution to match. Handicap events make good for everyone else and while they are few and far between, provide a great and pretty simple to plan for alternative, IMO. |
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