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iGRF
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Topic: Handicap Sailing Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 8:02pm |
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Between fifty and sixty grand, will get you a half decent series last time I set one up, though considering inflation maybe that should raise to 80 -100grand to be safe.
For which you get a new handicap methodology based on the boat, once fixed never altered unless the boat itself changes materially. A handicap allocation system per helm, based on height, weight and experience, this number can fluctuate according to results attained, pro's race scratch individual helms goal would be to shorten their handicap. Membership of the new handicap racing organisation committee formed from the trade and competitors selected transparently and open to change from the membership. A prize fund of 10 grand per event, say five events. That's your initial price, the system should produce an annual revenue stream depending on take up and access to the handicap issuing site would of course be monetised. Or you can stick with your existing system nobody would force anyone to join in. Edited by iGRF - 31 Oct 17 at 8:04pm |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 7:29pm | |
Yeah yeah - if you say Donald..... I mean GRFi. Whatever you choose to believe none of us individual regular racers set handicaps, influence handicaps, sit on handicap committees, or corruptly 'buy’ handicaps or even get Russian trolls on the case. Now I know this might seem strange but bear with us a mo ..... just think about what you are really implying..... without a shread of whatever. Not one .... Might be time to just finally accept things like they are rather than you like to imagine them. Much of what you occasionally suggest that is constructive simply gets washed away in all of the rest of the repeated ‘conspiracy’ drivel. And Yes .. you are still avoiding
the previous question ... How much does a good handicap number cost ? and who should we approach ? If somebody were to ‘pay’ more this year what
is the current going rate in terms of ‘minutes per hour’ or say PN points
? We must know ! Edited by Cirrus - 31 Oct 17 at 7:30pm |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 5:52pm | |
Allow me to remind you of the post that initiated this... Now, you crack on and on and on and on and on about how fair and reasonable a series in which your former Banditry revelled and you expect not to be called on it? Can we talk about that big rig thing you cowboyed that event at Oxford with or the small rig thing you cowboyed our local derby with? Don't lecture me on where and when I choose to sail, in my mind that event is bent right out of shape so I choose not to support it as much as I'd like to. One day maybe I will, then again maybe I won't but to me corralling all the decent winter events into one particular style for others to profit by aint my idea of cricket, so I'm not playing thanks. |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 5:24pm | |
GRFi .. you are intentionally being obtuse now. You want
a major national series to be produced by who exactly ? Your proposing
things should be run by purely amateurs now ? ... on a zero budget and ‘goodwill’
basis ?
This is getting surreal or is this just what happens on Halloween in
deepest Kent. You are barking up the wrong trees again or are you really just
part of a ‘click-bait’ scam ? Charging for entry etc and running things on a sensible and
commercially sustainable basis does not necessarily
mean corruption does it ? Frankly your conspiracy
theories don’t really cut it and if you can’t prove a single ‘claim’ against anyone
you hint might not be playing fair, and never have managed to in the past, then
most will draw the most simple
conclusion. You are deceiving yourself
and trying to deceive the naive and gullible as well. Now go
on and organise your own series with your own handicap system if you must .... ‘keyboard class’ entries are the only one
likely to make it to the line though. You seem to know about these things - so do tell me exactly what the current rate
is for a proper ‘decent’ handicap ?? .... I
don’t think I’ve budgeted for quite enough in recent seasons .... Edited by Cirrus - 31 Oct 17 at 5:26pm |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 5:19pm | |
Sail Juice publish the PY in the notice of race, just the same as any other PY racing. If you don't like it you don't have to race.
They give a reasonable explanation of why the handicaps are changed from what many are used to and even seem to have a fair bit if data unlike many clubs making changes on gut feel. In the end handicap racing is good for a winter get together or according to many on here club racing when the options are classes they don't like. But anyone believing moving a few arbitrary numbers one way or the other will make the racing materially fairer are expecting too much. Edited by mozzy - 31 Oct 17 at 5:20pm |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 5:15pm | |
Indeed that's true.... I've re-editted your edit, as for once, I'd tried to make a sensible post. After all there's no hiding behind the data, no great conspiracy and no place to blame anyone but yourself for the results you turn out on a fleet race. The irony is, for those whom handicap racing is designed to meet their needs, none of that need apply either. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 5:10pm | |
ftfy Edited by iGRF - 31 Oct 17 at 5:10pm |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 4:57pm | |
This sounds like a decent, simple approach that will cause fewest ripples. |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 4:43pm | |
You missed the bit... The bit that went 'other than the Cold Hard Fact that it is managed by a full commercial operation,' the entire series that would be doing what? Other than assuring such an event maximised their profits? Tell me perlease you're not completely commercially naive. |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 17 at 11:54am | |
1) PY straight up RYA numbers, no local amendments- any whinging, forward them to the RYA and remind them PY only really works over the series as general indicator of performance. Any change or deviation will cause trouble, and unlikely you'll be thanked for your efforts.
2) Return results to RYA to ensure you're doing your bit to make next year's numbers as reliable and representative of the classes sailed at your club as possible. 3) encourage fleet racing for those who seek a higher level of competitive sailing
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