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Noah
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Topic: Rule 28 - Sailing the Course RC Protests Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 12:23pm |
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Going back to the outside assistance posts for a moment; if boat A says to boat B 'you've rounded that mark the wrong way', it's unsolicited and B can't be lobbed. However, if B asks A 'which way do we round this mark?' and A answers then it's not unsolicited and B can be protested by C (or even A, which would be particularly mean!)
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 12:32pm | |
So maybe A needs to position herself so she can use the 'follow the boat in front' navigation method. Always remembering the barge that went to load sand. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 6:53pm | |
Following Brass's objection to on the water policing a lot easier on this thread than "Rules observance" thread.
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ohFFsake
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 9:53pm | |
IIRC it is in his autobiography. I have a copy floating about, will try and look it out later...
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 10:39pm | |
Jim, I probably did not explain this in the best way that I could; firstly we always keep a running order (regardless of whether we think someone has retired or been disqualified) so have a good handle on who is at which end of the fleet ... we get feedback from rescue boats on who has encountered problems or has retired ... and also a visual reference to how boats are being sailed can all point toward a retiree and such boats get RTD.
It is difficult for us to invoke a signing off or tally system with competitors keeping their boats in multiple venues. However we also have had instances of competitors rounding the wrong marks, or rounding the wrong way, possibly out of sight of other competitors, but in sight of patrol boats. In these cases we wish to disqualify a competitor without the need to protest. Such offenders are recorded DSQ. Along with introducing the amended SI we also introduced a reporting system to correct errors in the results. The scenario that we were trying to avoid is having to put together a protest committee for something that really is an open and shut case, but even then an easy route for redress exists. I guess that there is subjectivity in the RTD assessment by the RO but it seems to work. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 7:35pm | |
That (combined with your user name) sounds like you are a keelboat racing club? Don't they all have VHF? If so why can't they sign off by radio? Also, from a health and safety, surely you need some means of knowing all are safe home?
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:23pm | |
If it's a keelboat race and, as usual, the equipment safety rules require the boats to be self righting and adequately equipped, in accordance with, among other things rule 1.2, and bearing in mind rule 4, why should the club 'need some means of knowing all are safe home'?
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:28pm | |
If I'm running a race, it is important to know all are finished or retired. A boat disappears at sea, chances are some sort of search will be called. Poor form if they just sailed off without informing someone.
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:45pm | |
Don’t race yachts and don’t race on open sea.
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Brass
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