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iGRF
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Topic: Endeavour 2017: Prediction thread Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 9:37am |
Don't need to repeat my opinion of GL numbers and their effect on the Laser, but as for getting 'top' sailors and we've strayed way off the topic reservation talking at cross purposes, but that series idea wasn't necessarily intended for top sailors or to replace the Endeavour which other than it's current choice of boat I always thought was a fair venue and test of good sailors.
My experience of starting new series has been that top sailors will emerge from it, and if you PR the series appropriately they soon become 'household' names in their own right, not that creating new names rather than a new method of handicapping was the goal. |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:26am |
My experience of starting new series has been that top sailors will
emerge from it, and if you PR the series appropriately they soon become
'household' names in their own right, not that creating new names rather
than a new method of handicapping was the goal.
Well if it is so obvious why not do it ! ..... or is it something 'they' should always do. This all feels more than a bit like strident 'taxi driver' philosophy - railing at the world and what 'they' should be doing while avoiding any real personal involvement. "After all it is blindingly obvious" .... "and another thing.... " (etc etc) Good luck ! |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:56am |
I can't see a 'profit' in it for the moment and as I said things have taken a dramatic upward turn with my 'proper' business, but often talking about this stuff gives others ideas and maybe 'they' might also see the opportunity this current anarchic nightmare presents for an opportunist with a bit of nouse and some financial backing it is after all a forum for ideas as such. There are lots of very clever people I've come to notice amongst you lot and lots of them want more for the sport than we currently enjoy, the fact you are so enamoured about one attempt to offer a 'premier league' just proves the point that other than the Olympics, there is no aspirational and achievable challenge for youngsters that could also be marketed as a shop window for the whole sport. It's all very well pointing at the AC or the five ring circus but routes to those are closed to most amateur folk with jobs, and Solo or OK <insert appropriate class> champion? really that's about as aspirational as sticking needles in your eye in the real world. If there were a half decent national 'Formula 1' series with a prize fund, a sponsor seeking to PR the hell out of it along with its brand name, an arena for manufacturers to showcase their boats, a system that works for them, not a bunch of buffers in a smoke filled room, I'm sure we'd all welcome it, it needn't be at the expense of what already exists indeed it needs to be very different for precisely that reason, but right now I'm not in a position to instigate it and even if I were, what are my credentials for the task? Keyboard warrior? Hardly.... |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 11:56am |
So nothing at all like or derived from that enduring and and widely successful 1980's Board racing model then ? You know the one we all still look up to today ........
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Oli
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 12:57pm |
How about an series where you bring your boat and race day one py a la BOTC/scottish champs, then sail endeavour style in supplied boats the next. Have multiple events over the winter/follwoing year at various venues of river/sea/GL/puddle etc - perhaps the events could be held at the various champs clubs with the supplied boat being that champs class.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 1:07pm |
Entry for the RYA Scotland Champion of Champions event is generally for the winner of a class's Scottish travellers series or Scottish Championship but they do have entry for the top Scot at a UK nationals for classes without a big Scottish presence and it’s incorporated the Scottish Ladies Championship for a few years now. The event itself has been on the go for something like 30 years and they have always tried to even things out for classes as best they can using average lap racing (originally developed for the event by Mike Harrison in the early 90s if memory serves me correct) and use several different course formats to try and avoid bias to one type of boat. It’s a good fun event and it’s not often you get Oppies racing with Moths etc but I don't think you'll find many who think it's an alternative to the Endeavour – perhaps more like the recent Southampton Boat show battle of the classes
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I'm certainly not doubting that they qualified fair and square, I'm just saying the bar wasn't set very high. Top Scottish boat isn't that hard when the one other Scottish boat only finishes three out of eight races. I don't think that's a very controversial thing to say. When I'm talking about time gaps in races, I'm talking about the actual Champion of Champions Event, here. Not the National 18 champs. There is a large gap in times for these races, which to me suggests the standard wasn't that high.
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