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Jack Sparrow
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Topic: Is there a future for the Solution? Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 1:29pm |
+ 1 to that.
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 1:33pm |
Caveat to that last statement from Vroony:
Unless the steady stream of happy secondhand boat buyers the class is pretty much doomed, unless you have a steady stream of 'home boat builders' building.
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Phil_1193
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 1:41pm |
Talking from experience the reason the CA sometimes doesn't have its own stand is two fold, it requires around 16-20 people to give up their time to man the stand over the weekend (2 days, 2 hour stints, 2 people per stint), plus a couple to take the boat up, set up the stand, than pack it away on the Sunday night. Add to that (the main reason), it costs the CA around £1000 to have the stand in the first place, its a huge outlay for very little return. If the builder is offering to showcase the boat with some input from the sailors who are at the show, helping out when necessary at no cost to the CA its fairly obvious it would be stupid not to take it |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 2:14pm |
Obviously class associations are vital for a strong class, but it's always struck me as a weird set up where the builder passes on responsibility for promoting the class to the CA. The builder makes a living selling boats, if he wants to sell more he should market it more, not rely on a group of owners to evangelise on a voluntary basis. Some owners will do this to protect their investment, but it is poor form to rely on it.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 2:50pm |
+1 It's another archaic reason nothing goes anywhere unless it's RS and more recently Hartley punching the market. The people who's job it is to market a product are those who profit by it's sale. It's all very well abrogating your responsibility to a bunch of owners, but with that comes all the other none sense, like them thinking they have some God given right to prevent further development of the product to protect their own personal interests. Now don't go giving me a load of horse sh*t that this class or that class does a good job, they don't, if they were, the entire sport would not be in decline, the toxic combination of classes, & the RYA is like the ultimate sales prevention team, I totally despair at times.. Look at the latest bollox going on with the Contender, rumours of some dumbed down club thing that no one will buy when really they should be building the Contender light, down to weight smaller rig and aimed at Gods chosen people, Lightweights and Ladies oh and the young of course... Edited by iGRF - 18 Sep 17 at 2:56pm |
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 5:53pm |
You know about the Farr 3.7 don't you iGRF, I guess they know about it too.
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fab100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 5:54pm |
Here's an alternative for you Graeme. Instead of making the boats lighter (changing handling characteristics, stability et al) solve the shoreside handling. What we all need is a motorised, waterproof, solar powered trolley mechanism that can be retro-fitted (and decent wheels). On each of my dinghies, the actual boat's weight is irrelevant on land in the context of the half-a-ton of iron underneath it. Edited by fab100 - 18 Sep 17 at 5:55pm |
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maxibuddah
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 6:41pm |
He's got a point. My Finn is obviously a little on the lardy size however cos the trolley is aluminium or really isn't that difficult to move about, unless it's hilly or on a beach, but then if your daft enough to sail off a beach get loads of helpers or a lighter boat
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 9:23pm |
How much does a galv steel trolly weigh? I suspect there's only about 15kg difference between a steel trolly and an ally one. Not insignificant but there's 77kg difference between an Aero and a Finn.......
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 10:05pm |
For once this Sunday gone, my tidal tactical genius bore fruit and I finished ahead of the Contender who normally dominates at Hythe which meant I landed first and once I managed to drag my boat up the beach far enough that the water wouldn't reclaim it, difficult enough with the EPS, but I had to help him with his Contender. I was thinking once again how much I really want one, right up until the moment I tried to drag it forward on it's trolley. It is outrageous that something that size can be that heavy in this day and age, stupid and outrageous.
The trolley isn't the issue, once on the trolley we have winches to pull the boats up the beach, just get the damn thing on the trolley clear of the water in the first place is our issue and this was on an offshore wind day so not a great swell running, two of us struggled. The Solution is not difficult, nor I suspect would a Farr 37 which funnily enough I've been eyeing up again as there was one on the duck for sale, but, it's a big risk buying without trying, certainly not without say a return if your not totally satisfied sort of deal that other products might offer. Edited by iGRF - 18 Sep 17 at 10:08pm |
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