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Sam.Spoons
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Topic: Hiking technique Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 9:35pm |
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That sound's like tacit acceptance in the way that pumping was for windsurfing. The WS racers argued it was too much a natural part of sailing a board to be outlawed and it was legalised, to the benefit of the young, fit (and usually big) athletes. I'm not saying dinghy racing should not be an athletic pursuit but as it moves (as windsurfing did with Formula Windsurfing) towards brute force being the main requirement for winning over tactics and finesse it becomes a less attractive sport to me.
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By The Lee
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 9:41pm | |
Fair point personally I think of it as a exciting physicality however I could see why this might not be appealing to all...
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 9:50pm | |
And that may be part of the reason I don't sail L@sers (and BTW may be part of the reason GRF's much despised 'classic classes' are still popular as the reward tactics and fineness more than simple physicality,
BTW I was pretty good on a Raceboard at regional level (and did once win a Masters National Champs) particularly in the light stuff so I do get the 'exciting physicality' bit (I could pump with the best of them in a drifter) but, in Raceboards, the move to a 9.5 metre sail was a step too far for me.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 10:21pm | |
You can blame me for pumping being permitted in windsurfing which in those days of 5.4 and 6.3 race sails was less duress than leaning into a 9.5 that's for sure.
I have learned how to do most of the illegal stuff in dinghies, I don't do it on the lake, but on the sea, you can't help yourself, everything is so fluid, back and forth, side to side with the wave motion it seems silly to waste all that helpful natural energy and convert it into forward motion with symbiotic body movements. It's not like windsurfing you simply cannot get the forward scoop movement to produce a continuous flowing, air rowing movement that you can on a rig free of all constraints. There's an annoying delay once you sheet in, whilst the rig sheets out, refills and you can haul it again, it doesn't make sense to keep hauling it either so it does actually make sense to just time the yank with the right moment as the stern lifts on a wave. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 8:20am | |
Wasting natural energy isn't the problem. Creating unnatural energy is.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 9:39am | |
I guess it was inevitable that it would happen. I started in DIV1 (Sailboard Vario and Tushingham dacron 6.3 soft sail on an ally mast and 2.7m boom) and moved through having strong and light wind 6m camber induced sails (6.0 SRS bought off John Tushingham, brilliant in the light, unmanageable above F4) on my Mistral Superlight (best board ever in the light stuff). The move to Raceboards and 7.5m sails was good and the combination of a Demon Design VG5 (I've had 4, still have the most recent) and a Mistral Equipe 2 was well on the pace and a perfect setup for the average (i.e. not super-fit or super large) sailor. I could/can pump it in 0-20 knots and hang on in 25 (but not the 30 knots that Sean Cox claims it is useable in).
Which is legal (and almost always has been so)..... I wonder if the huge advantage Steve Cockrell's '4th dimension' confers is because it is a 'legal' (?) way of rocking/pumping?
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 12:17pm | |
4th Dimension? what's that? Linky?
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KazRob
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 1:05pm | |
4th Dimension is just sailing by the lee really, but to me Steve's main innovation was to bear off when the boat rolled to windward to bring it upright again instead of sharply heading up to windward and letting centrifugal forces bring you upright again.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 1:25pm | |
https://www.roostersailing.com/blog/boat-whisperer-talks-2/
He bears away while throwing himself across the boat......... Edited by Sam.Spoons - 19 Sep 17 at 1:42pm |
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bustinben
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 3:01pm | |
I think the on the water juries you get at laser events, who are themselves usually IJ's or NJ's, probably have a good idea of what is and isn't allowed within the rules. The SI's usually make this completely rock solid as there is no right to redress/protest an on the water R42 call, so if a juror thinks it's legal, it's legal, and if they think it's not legal, it's not legal. So perhaps the people you think are cheating are actually just doing it right...? P.S Torquing is adjusting the trim (the pitch, actually) of the hull forcefully as it goes over the crest of a wave so that it stays in smooth contact with the water rather than slamming and allows the boat to shoot down the back of the wave rather than just stopping. It's clearly within the definition you've posted.
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