A Phantom experience

Originally posted by iGRF Originally posted by Tyler Trapezes have been tried in Phantoms in the past, it did not work out too well, mainly I believe due to the short bow and distance between mast and centre board pivot.   I'm intrigued now, my logic is, currently big bloke sat on side say 100 kgs and it's what 60:40 i.e 60kgs can be hanging out the side with 40 left 'in' the boat and if he's tall and agile the 60kg could be projected out almost as far as 60 of my kilos if I were trapezing. So what is the difference? If the trap lines take off from the point on the mast where the stays are currently that shouldn't change anything, if I'm standing about where big bloke is hiking? I don't get where the short bow and distance between the mast and cnetre board pivot make a distance, been thinking about it almost since you first posted it, am perplexed and now I need to know, it's bugging me.

Trapezes have been tried in Phantoms in the past, it did not work out too well, mainly I believe due to the short bow and distance between mast and centre board pivot.  

Originally posted by iGRF Interesting, so the class own the moulds, they presumably sanction builders and sails are they class driven or can anyone build sails and have them measured? So a bit like the Solo then? So next question why do so many folk still buy those awful coffins when a boat as great as the Phantom is available, is there some ruling that stops pro jocks flogging sails? Is this another case of mis marketing with the Phantom lumbered with the Fatboi niche, just as the Solution is encumbered by it's lightwieght tag, neither of which is totally as true as the folklore suggests?

The association bought the mould off Vandercraft back in 2012 iirc when it was already with Ovington and they were already making the hulls for Vandercraft. At the AGM it was voted on and agreed. The association takes a fee from each boat that comes out the mould and this is put to one side to pay for the replacement mould that will be needed at some point.

Sails can be made by anyone, out of anything as long as it meets the measurements you could bang one up in your front room if you so desired! Think pretty much every sailmaker has had a go at making them, most, to be fair, currently use a P&B with a smattering of North and HD in the mix

The sail of choice varies depending on who at the fornt of the Nationals fleet has some sort of 'affiliation' with a sail maker and can get everyone 'a cracking deal'

Why don't people buy it over other options? As you state miscinception its for fatties, it carries weight very well but you dont need to be huge to be competative, in the same way you don't need to be featherlight to get it going in light winds.
That and the PY talk, yes its been hammered, yes it is, in my opinion, a bit low, 1008-1012 is where it should be, but even me as an average semi pie eating plenty beer drinking weekend jockey can win handicap races with it at 999, as, for example, this weekend, light winds, East coast tidal estuary and beating Merlin Rockets over the water.

And the other misconception is the biggest pockets win, that is not true, any epoxy boat with any carbon rig can win on the day, its all down to the bloke on the wiggle stick! Especially at club level

High mod masts do make it 'easier' but its still not a given brand new kit will stick you at the top of the tree every time, time in the boat is the key - btw I won the Creeksea open with a 2 year old sail that isn't even 'cut' for the mast its on, luck had a big part to play as did spending a lot of time in the boat this year and not capsizing!!


Edited by Phil_1193 - 29 Aug 17 at 2:03pm

Originally posted by iGRF Interesting, so the class own the moulds, they presumably sanction builders and sails are they class driven or can anyone build sails and have them measured? So a bit like the Solo then? So next question why do so many folk still buy those awful coffins when a boat as great as the Phantom is available, is there some ruling that stops pro jocks flogging sails? Is this another case of mis marketing with the Phantom lumbered with the Fatboi niche, just as the Solution is encumbered by it's lightwieght tag, neither of which is totally as true as the folklore suggests?

Interesting, so the class own the moulds, they presumably sanction builders and sails are they class driven or can anyone build sails and have them measured?

So a bit like the Solo then?

So next question why do so many folk still buy those awful coffins when a boat as great as the Phantom is available, is there some ruling that stops pro jocks flogging sails? Is this another case of mis marketing with the Phantom lumbered with the Fatboi niche, just as the Solution is encumbered by it's lightwieght tag, neither of which is totally as true as the folklore suggests?