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ClubRacer
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Topic: Requesting Redress Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 8:26pm |
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I had a situation today where I could have requested redress as they got the p flag stuck to the top of the mast when in sequence and did the start anyway, meaning I missed the start by a good 30 seconds as I was waiting for the P to come down to sync my watch.
I ended up finishing in a good position in the race and doubt very much I'l top that result in the rest of the series and decided not to have protested I was the only boat effected by the stuck p flag so I would presume if I had won the protest I would have been given average score for the series in which I would be given a worse result than I actually got My question is if I had won the redress would my score be removed and given a worse average score and what else is there they could offer me from the redress which would actually have benefited me (I would presume only to abandon the race but would they do that for just a single boat) Bare in mind this is just a club race
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 8:53pm | |
The PC has a pretty free hand to do whatever they consider is fairest for everyone. That includes giving a boat any point score they think is appropriate, but also includes leaving the results unchanged. Edited by JimC - 08 Jul 17 at 8:54pm |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:22pm | |
In club racing, the hoot is far more likely to be accurate than the flag, whatever the rules say, especially if the race box is short staffed. I tend to go by what the RO means to do, rather than by what actually is done, and generally it works out OK.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 2:59pm | |
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ClubRacer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 5:19pm | |
Rule 26 states; 26. STARTING RACES Races shall be started by using the following signals. Times shall be
taken from the visual signals; the absence of a sound signal shall be
disregarded. 1 Preparatory flag
removed
One long One minute lack of prep flag down is a direct breach of rule 26. Wouldn't this be clear cut in a protest hearing? |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 6:00pm | |
Oh it would be clear cut enough that the RC made an error. But to get redress you have to convince the PC that not only did the RC make a mistake, but also that you were disadvantaged through no fault of your own. They might well conclude that if you'd been paying attention to *all* the signals you'd have known what was going on, especially as everyone else managed to start OK. |
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GML
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 10:19pm | |
Best practice when giving average points as redress to a boat that has finished a race is for the protest committee to say something like "Average points in accordance with A10(a) but not worse than X points" where X is the number of points you got for your actual finishing position in the race.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 17 at 3:08am | |
Would you care to cite some authoritative document?
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 17 at 9:47am | |
Personally if you missed the 2 previous signals then the 'no fault of your own' bit falls over. Were I on the PC I would be asking that question of you.
Mistakes happen, we all know what the rules say and perhaps the RO should have abandoned the sequence but in a club race was it necessary?
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 17 at 10:22am | |
Yes it was.
AP is the race officers' friend, and ever RO should be able to run an AP sequence smoothly and quickly. There's no excuse for letting a clearly improper starting sequence ride. If only to avoid the problem with fault of boat's own. |
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